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Make stats have 1/4 regen instead

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Disable regen when attacking or getting attacked

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Total Members Voted: 8

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

...he is literaly hardcountered by everything that has higher movementspeed than him.

I have an agility of 35.  Only Salsacookies has a higher level in that stat than me (Anti-mage guy has only 15, as well).  In addition, I have a base HP of 665, with a regen of 17-18 with a damage reduction thanks to my first ability.

[Akroma]

I dont think agility factors into movementspeed

anyway, the problem is that the passive forces you to attackan enemy player the moment you see him. I dunno how much dota you play, but that is *bad*. Like, maximum bad. Decision making is the penultimate point where a good player seperates from a bad player. This skill, while making you very dangerous in any 1v1 situation, turns you into a liability in any situation. During the laning phase its suicide, while farming it makes you an easy target to ganks, it makes sure that you will lose any time you are in a teamfight where you are not winning, as you can neither run away, nor can you even pick your target yourself

in fact if he goes after the first *unit* he sees, he can't even last hit, and if he never enters tower range, he is also useless during any push where an enemy is present, especialy when breaking highground

[PrivateNomad]

btw, while Dytils damage seems borderline broken, he is literaly hardcountered by everything that has higher movementspeed than him. Can I say *kiting?*


all you need is a support with an ethreal staff to avoid some physical damage and a force staff and bam, gank'd. His passive makes him literaly unplayable, considering he is forced to auto-attack any enemy he sees, but requires his ult to close the distance - which then auto kills him because of his mana. Anything that doesn't die to his ult is bound to win.

Also can't go wrong with diffusal blade on a high attack speed support, considering that the mana burn isn't reduced by the attack speed thing I'm using.

Someone be a tiebreaker for the vote. After that I'm closing it.
Akroma is right. Either remove the automatic target-finding and decrease the advantages that the ability gives, or change the drawback.

Also I totally made a mistake because now everyone has 4 ultimate levels. Oh well, I can make it work.

[kj1225]

Added back story.

[TealNinja]

For reference:

I've never actually played DotA more than like 3 games. So I did not base it on anything from DotA, or, for that matter, in this case, LoL. This is based on the character/character class I've been flirting with for a long while now. I just like the idea of anti-magic templars.

I was commenting on the fact that your character concept uses the primary focuses of four characters, while being stronger than what it's copying.  It's a strictly-better-than-Ability-Draft concept, when Ability Draft is known for having no balance.

If I were to pick ideal abilities from existing characters, I'd probably use Corrosive Skin, Burning Spears, Sticky Napalm and Elder Dragon Form.  Alternatively, Enchant Totem, Take Aim, Psion Blades and Walrus Punch.  It would still be arguably weaker than your idea (until the point where it one-shots everything, anyway.)

[IronyOwl]

Someone be a tiebreaker for the vote. After that I'm closing it.

Done. Hurray for peace and harmony!

[PrivateNomad]

Someone be a tiebreaker for the vote. After that I'm closing it.

Done. Hurray for peace and harmony!

Are you playing? If not, then I don't think that'd be fair for a non-player to decide what they'll be doing.

[IronyOwl]

Someone be a tiebreaker for the vote. After that I'm closing it.

Done. Hurray for peace and harmony!

Are you playing? If not, then I don't think that'd be fair for a non-player to decide what they'll be doing.

I'd like to be. Figuring out whether to make my Dire Incubus' abilities single-use or variable based on target allegiance is proving difficult, though.

Actually, you (and others) could probably help with that. My current theme is an arrogant, seductive splitpusher/support in spite of the Dire corruption giving him a vaguely inorganic, rust-stained looking visage. Here's what I have so far:

Spoiler: Character Sheet (click to show/hide)

Side: Are you Radiant or Dire?
Name: Taulus the...?
Appearance: What your hero looks like. They say that pictures are worth a thousand words :3. You could be a fallen king, a weakened god, or whatever.
Backstory:
Stats (70): Underline your primary stat.
STRENGTH -
AGILITY -
INTELLIGENCE -

3 Abilities:
Caress: Taulus caresses the target, restoring (x/x/x/x) HP per turn for 2 turns.
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Caress: Taulus caresses the target. If cast on an ally, restores (x/x/x/x) HP per turn for 2 turns. If cast on an enemy, reduces attack damage by (x/x/x/x)% for 2 turns.

Enthrall: Taulus enthralls the target, stunning them for (x/x/x/x) turns and dealing (x/x/x/x) damage per turn while stunned.
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Enthrall: Taulus enthralls the target, stunning them for (x/x/x/x) turns and dealing (x/x/x/x) damage per turn while stunned.

Incite: Taulus incites those in a X tile radius around him. Allies within range have their attack damage boosted by (x/x/x/x)% for X rounds.
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Incite: Taulus incites those in a X tile radius around him. Allies within range have their attack damage boosted by (x/x/x/x)% for X rounds. Enemies within range gain a (x/x/x/x) boost to movespeed but mindlessly attempt to attack Taulus for X rounds.

Attacks, passives, whatever. They should scale into 4 sizes.
Ultimate: One awesome ability. Please no Meepo.

Claim Heart:



Caress is a low-cost, spammable HoT for keeping up creeps and skirmishing allies. I'm not sure if it should also be a debuff for when actual fighting starts.

Enthrall is a disable/escape/kiting move. Considered making it channeled, but then he wouldn't have time to run away. I'm not sure if I should also make it an allied MS buff or something.

Incite is an AoE damage buff. I'd like to say I'm not sure whether I want to make it a taunt or something, but the fact of the matter is I suspect it'd be too powerful to also make it anything else at all without gutting the intended pushing aspect. For that matter, it might need to react differently to Heroes and creeps for that to work well.

Claim Heart I'm still working on, but I think when cast on an allied creep, it should buff it, give it an aura based on its type, and apply a DoT, all permanently. Hence, it's a potent if kind of stupid pushing tool since the more damage the wave is doing the less farm he's getting (maybe have it give him the gold for its kills too?). I'd like it to also do other things, notably with Heroes so he can actually do something with it in teamfights, but I'm not sure what. A sort of low-grade Doom that also increases movespeed and maybe attack speed came to mind for enemy Heroes, basically giving them the option to kill him, rot, or just mess up his team if he's not on point with locking him down, or I guess basically to just rot in the case of casters.

Now might be a good time to mention that while I am somewhat familiar with Dota, I'm not really comfortable with it the way I am with LoL, so I may have struggled a bit with Dota's particular unique vibe and design philosophies.

In any case, assistance welcome. Feel free to be brutal!

[kj1225]

I suggest going Radiant as we have fewer people.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

I suggest going Radiant as we have fewer people.

Recount.  It's 5 radiant and only 2 dire.

[PrivateNomad]

PvE it is. Don't worry guys, we can do PvP when everyone gets bored. But I still need to balance people's sheets, soo...

[kj1225]

Can I get a list of pick up lines I can use for when I use my ult?

[Rolepgeek]

For reference:

I've never actually played DotA more than like 3 games. So I did not base it on anything from DotA, or, for that matter, in this case, LoL. This is based on the character/character class I've been flirting with for a long while now. I just like the idea of anti-magic templars.

I was commenting on the fact that your character concept uses the primary focuses of four characters, while being stronger than what it's copying.  It's a strictly-better-than-Ability-Draft concept, when Ability Draft is known for having no balance.

If I were to pick ideal abilities from existing characters, I'd probably use Corrosive Skin, Burning Spears, Sticky Napalm and Elder Dragon Form.  Alternatively, Enchant Totem, Take Aim, Psion Blades and Walrus Punch.  It would still be arguably weaker than your idea (until the point where it one-shots everything, anyway.)

Then PrivateNomad can nerf it. I didn't design it to be overpowered, and I didn't give it numbers because I had no idea what would constitute balance. I just gave it stuff that fit what an Antimagic Templar would have, in my mind. If you want me to, I can try and change characters, or shift abilities around, but the idea behind him is along the lines of 'he is a black hole for magic'.

It was that or struggle with trying to convert my LoL ideas into DotA format, or flounder about trying to come up with something else that's even moderately original. Since I'm fairly sure anything that can really be done, mechanically, has been done.

[kj1225]

I'll point out that antimagic templars have appeared before. Just ask Anders.

[Rolepgeek]

I'll point out that antimagic templars have appeared before. Just ask Anders.

What?

Fuck.

Have magic parasite-infected people appeared before?