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[SpiralDimentia]

we have two dragons,

I had to stop here and reread what I'd responded to. Turns out, instead of reading ''mega beast'' i read ''Forgotten Beast'' in my brain for some reason, thus my confusion. So it turns out I just can't read. Carry on.

[Orange Wizard]

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I think I'll just mod the chances down for animals. Humans (and presumably human-like fantasy races) have absurdly complicated sexuality compared to most of the rest of the animal kingdom, so it only makes sense.

No, don't mention modding the raws! You'll start a flame war which will inevitably lead to a thoroughly unsatisfying PM discussion!
*voice fading into the distance*
Don't do it, Hugooooo! Dooon't dooooooo iiiiiiiiiiit~!

[Spectre Incarnate]

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No, don't mention modding the raws! You'll start a flame war which will inevitably lead to a thoroughly unsatisfying PM discussion!

You are still going on about that? And now you want to take this public? By dragging it into another thread?

I appreciate the jab, but it wasn't worth the effort to PM you back. I wanted to keep what little brain cells I had left after hearing the same old rhetoric. And I don't recall a flame war. Just thinly veiled commentary that was starting to go in the wrong direction and was promptly put to an end. You are the only one who continued to try and rile people up. You are the only one who wants a flame war and repeatedly comes into these threads to attempt to start one, while at the same time you say you don't want a flame war. I don't know what your game is, but I have no interest in playing it.

People can do whatever they want with their RAWs. If it's really that annoying to deal with in game mechanics, go right ahead. Changing orientation settings and separating into colonies or breeding programs was not the issue and never was. If you still don't understand what the real issue was that I and a few others had a problem with in the previous thread, then that is simply all there is to it. I am unable to explain any further to someone who doesn't *want* to try to understand. You see what's on the surface and refuse to read between the lines. In fact, you insist that you don't hate gays, yet you dislike them, judge them, disrespect them, hurt them, poke fun at them with off-color jokes, use words like "domestic partnership" instead of the common term "marriage" out of an obvious superiority complex. You are absolutely right, Insanity. You don't outright hate gays. You're much, much worse than that.

Guess who I disrespect?

Now, go goad someone else. I have absolutely no more patience with you.

Very sorry about that, everyone. Please, carry on.

[Orange Wizard]

it wasn't worth the effort to PM you back.

...

Okay, okay. I'm sorry.

[SlyStalker]

Sooo... how would you mod out all these extra orientations for animals? I mean, the only homosexual animals I know that exist are two bears in a zoo, but one might argue that they're not homosexual and merely conditioned to behave in that way. So which .txt file is it?

[WillowLuman]

Whatever file contains the creatures raws.

[Orange Wizard]

You would add ORIENTATION tags...

Code: (Under female caste) [Select]

[ORIENTATION:MALE:0:0:1]
[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:1:0:0]


Code: (Under male caste) [Select]

[ORIENTATION:MALE:1:0:0]
[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:0:0:1]
... to each animal.

That does, however, involve a lot of copy/pasting. I'm probably going to make a script to do it automatically.

[WillowLuman]

Just make a Creature Variation. That way you only have to paste one line to each.

[Orange Wizard]

Alternatively, install Python 3.4, and run this script in your raw/objects/ directory.

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Code: (Straightifier) [Select]

from pathlib import Path
d = Path(".")
for x in list (d.glob("**/*.txt")):
    with x.open() as f:
        lines = f.readlines()
    i = 0
    num = [0, 0]
    newlines = lines
    for line in lines:
        if "[MALE]" in line:
            newlines[i] += "\n[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:0:0:100]\n[ORIENTATION:MALE:100:0:0]\n"
            num[0] += 1
        elif "[FEMALE]" in line:
            newlines[i] += "\n[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:100:0:0]\n[ORIENTATION:MALE:0:0:100]\n"
            num[1] += 1
        i += 1
    if num != [0, 0]:
        print ("Straightified", num[0], "male creatures and", num[1], "female creatures in", x)
        with x.open(mode = "w") as f:
            f.writelines(newlines)
    else:
        print ("No changes to", x)


I can't vouch for its reliableness, but it seems to work okay. It only crashes sometimes.

[SlyStalker]

Are there any specific dependencies for that? I already have 3.4 installed (3.4? Well, I think so)

[Orange Wizard]

There are no other dependencies. I may have done something totally wrong that renders it unusable, however.

[Spectre Incarnate]

it wasn't worth the effort to PM you back.

Okay, okay. I'm sorry.

Alright, well that's good to hear and thank you. I stand by what I said, but I'm sorry for being so damn harsh. Let's try and turn this around now.

I'd actually like to talk about the satellite colony thing. Never had a problem with the concept in pure game terms and was thinking of trying something similar, but in a "Gay bar with sweet ass techno music" sort of way rather than the creepy sociopath attitude of "You're not worthy citizens if you refuse to procreate". Which, I admit had hit home for me even as a straight married person because we have our own very important reasons for not having children, so people who make such broad statements about social issues like that tend to piss me off.

Anyway, mostly curious if it would help dwarves find like-minded lovers more quickly if they were separated temporarily into social environments that encourage dating. It could possibly assist the whole range of hetero, homo, and bi to find their ideal partners. Has anyone experimented with this? Then again, perhaps it would be best to wait for the new emotions and personalities to be implemented, cause I bet those are going to throw an even bigger wrench into the social dynamics of dwarven procreation processes. 

Sooo... how would you mod out all these extra orientations for animals? I mean, the only homosexual animals I know that exist are two bears in a zoo, but one might argue that they're not homosexual and merely conditioned to behave in that way. So which .txt file is it?

I think being stuck in a confined area with another of your species of any gender tends to have that effect, aka, prison.   But seriously, there are numerous accounts of animal homo/bi behaviors. Cats, dogs, birds, dolphins, and of course primates since we're related, but from previous discussions I think a lot of us here agree that exclusive homosexual partnerships between animals tends to be a bit rare compared to "in the heat of the moment" type instinctual stuff. There's some interesting stuff online if you care to check it out. Just google it.

To remove orientation for animals is to add orientation tags, as Insanity has explained. The tags will override the hard coding and become the default. Doesn't have to be a lot of copy/pasting, though. Use Edit>Replace in Notepad for that, using a common line between all creatures, then adding what you want under it. Some people say Notepad++ can do this on all open creature text files at once.

[SlyStalker]

I think being stuck in a confined area with another of your species of any gender tends to have that effect, aka, prison.

Sigged

Also, I'd like to put something straight. The bears that I was referring to were separated at birth, I think, from their mother and as a result had no-one to suckle on, until... well...

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the two bear brothers discovered each other's genitalia and were pleased to have 'milk' to drink.

So they were conditioned, and I really doubt that it's sexual for them in any way.

[Spectre Incarnate]

I think being stuck in a confined area with another of your species of any gender tends to have that effect, aka, prison.

Sigged

Sig virginity lost! \o/

Also, I'd like to put something straight. The bears that I was referring to were separated at birth, I think, from their mother and as a result had no-one to suckle on, until... well...

Bear virginity lost! \o/