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[Harbingerjm]

Hmmm, I'm torn between a ToB character or an Incarnum user. Are there any issues with using either, Flame?

[lawastooshort]

Okay, I am going to be a human Rogue/Alchemist, possibly with a dip in several levels of Arsonist after all that.

Should I completely reroll, or would this be wrong?

[Dwarmin]

Okay, I am going to be a human Rogue/Alchemist, possibly with a dip in several levels of Arsonist after all that.

Should I completely reroll, or would this be wrong?

I'd say stick with what you got, or ask the GM to give you an "official do-over". The rest of us should-in theory-be sticking with what we got.

@Gigla: Good, good.

I've got connections to two party members now.

...

In other news, I rolled my characters height and weight.

Total beanpole.

[flame99]

I see no problem with either ToB or Incarnum

[lawastooshort]

-snipped-

[lawastooshort]

edit: no wait

edit 2: Sorry for messing you about with the alchemy requests, GM. In the end I decided to be the bard, because I've wanted to play one for a while, and I just thought it would be more fun, average stats or not.

Ari the Mumbler

Mostly good at talky skills, Perform: Mumbling Chant, shooting a bow (I couldn't find a better feat than PBS unfortunately - it's late). Back story as previously, more or less - rejected in his attempts to become a mage, he has decided to learn everything, and also use his natural mumbling abilities to entrance people and then bash their heads in.

Apologies to the group: I do not bring very much useful, and you will now have to knock doors down rather than have them unlocked.

I'll add further character detail as I can but the rules bits are all there I think

[GiglameshDespair]

Eh. My character can have a rank in open lock and some lockpicks anyway, so she can at least attempt.

[lawastooshort]

At GM - if wizardly magic is hard to come by in this world, kind of, what about magic items? Basically I'm wondering if it is worth taking Skill Focus: Use Magic Item as my spare feat, or keep PBS.

[Harbingerjm]

Flame: Sneak Attack is good. Not having Sneak Attack is bad. Undead and the like = no Sneak Attack. However, there is hope! The Dragonfire Strike feat may allow bypassing Sneak Attack immunity; the exact text is not entirely clear, and is the subject of many rules debates.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

DRAGONFIRE STRIKE [DRACONIC]
You can call upon your innate draconic power to augment certain weapon attacks.
Prerequisite: Cha 11, dragonblood subtype, and one of these class features: sneak attack, sudden strike, or skirmish.
Benefit: When you gain extra damage from a sneak attack, sudden strike, or skirmish, you can choose for the extra damage to be fire damage. If you apply this effect, increase the extra damage dealt by 1d6 points. Make this choice for each attack after it is resolved but before damage is dealt. This is a supernatural ability.
Special: If you have the Draconic Heritage feat or if you are a half-dragon, the extra damage is of the energy type (acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic) that corresponds to your heritage or your draconic parent instead. If your feat or your parent is not associated with one of these energy types, this feat has no effect for you.

Would you consider this to bypass Critical Hit (and thus Sneak Attack) immunity when flanking/flatfooted/otherwise denied Dexterity bonus to AC?

[flame99]

Flame: Sneak Attack is good. Not having Sneak Attack is bad. Undead and the like = no Sneak Attack. However, there is hope! The Dragonfire Strike feat may allow bypassing Sneak Attack immunity; the exact text is not entirely clear, and is the subject of many rules debates.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

DRAGONFIRE STRIKE [DRACONIC]
You can call upon your innate draconic power to augment certain weapon attacks.
Prerequisite: Cha 11, dragonblood subtype, and one of these class features: sneak attack, sudden strike, or skirmish.
Benefit: When you gain extra damage from a sneak attack, sudden strike, or skirmish, you can choose for the extra damage to be fire damage. If you apply this effect, increase the extra damage dealt by 1d6 points. Make this choice for each attack after it is resolved but before damage is dealt. This is a supernatural ability.
Special: If you have the Draconic Heritage feat or if you are a half-dragon, the extra damage is of the energy type (acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic) that corresponds to your heritage or your draconic parent instead. If your feat or your parent is not associated with one of these energy types, this feat has no effect for you.

Would you consider this to bypass Critical Hit (and thus Sneak Attack) immunity when flanking/flatfooted/otherwise denied Dexterity bonus to AC?

I can't really see why it would. Unless I'm missing something, it just seems to do +1d6 and adds fire damage, plus a possible energy resistance.

At GM - if wizardly magic is hard to come by in this world, kind of, what about magic items? Basically I'm wondering if it is worth taking Skill Focus: Use Magic Item as my spare feat, or keep PBS.

Magic items are semi-rare, but not extraordinarily so. Wizards might be too busy studying to do much in the way of magical items, but sorcerers often make them, as they sell very well.

[Harbingerjm]

Flame: Sneak Attack is good. Not having Sneak Attack is bad. Undead and the like = no Sneak Attack. However, there is hope! The Dragonfire Strike feat may allow bypassing Sneak Attack immunity; the exact text is not entirely clear, and is the subject of many rules debates.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

DRAGONFIRE STRIKE [DRACONIC]
You can call upon your innate draconic power to augment certain weapon attacks.
Prerequisite: Cha 11, dragonblood subtype, and one of these class features: sneak attack, sudden strike, or skirmish.
Benefit: When you gain extra damage from a sneak attack, sudden strike, or skirmish, you can choose for the extra damage to be fire damage. If you apply this effect, increase the extra damage dealt by 1d6 points. Make this choice for each attack after it is resolved but before damage is dealt. This is a supernatural ability.
Special: If you have the Draconic Heritage feat or if you are a half-dragon, the extra damage is of the energy type (acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic) that corresponds to your heritage or your draconic parent instead. If your feat or your parent is not associated with one of these energy types, this feat has no effect for you.

Would you consider this to bypass Critical Hit (and thus Sneak Attack) immunity when flanking/flatfooted/otherwise denied Dexterity bonus to AC?

I can't really see why it would. Unless I'm missing something, it just seems to do +1d6 and adds fire damage, plus a possible energy resistance.

That's kind of the point; changing the Sneak Attack damage to Energy Damage to bypass standard immunity to Precision Damage. And it doesn't add energy resistance, so I'm not sure what you mean by that, unless you meant that the enemy can resist it, in which case yes.

[Dwarmin]

Flame: Sneak Attack is good. Not having Sneak Attack is bad. Undead and the like = no Sneak Attack.

My friend sercon used this ACF (alternative class feature) a long time ago on his char, iirc.

Penetrating Strike (DS, p 13): Lose trap sense. Whenever you sneak attack something normally immune to sneak attack damage, do half your normal dice of sneak attack damage.

If you're not going to be a disarmer/trap bait anyway there is no reason not to take it, gm permitting. It is pretty powerful...

[Harbingerjm]

Flame: Sneak Attack is good. Not having Sneak Attack is bad. Undead and the like = no Sneak Attack.

My friend sercon used this ACF (alternative class feature) a long time ago on his char, iirc.

Penetrating Strike (DS, p 13): Lose trap sense. Whenever you sneak attack something normally immune to sneak attack damage, do half your normal dice of sneak attack damage.

That is another option, my fallback as it were, but it eats my Changeling Rogue Minor Lore ACF and still cuts down damage dramatically.

[lawastooshort]

Spoiler: Ari's Story (click to show/hide)

"But... Elder Dimble, I want to be a wizard... I want to learn magic! I can do magic! The secrets of the world... Untold power, and all that..."

"No, Ari, it's out of the question. You're a Sparrerbarrer, yer daft eejit, not some high falutin elven gobshite! A good honest Gnome what does good honest work, tinkerin' and mining and weasel farming and suchlike, I can't be letting you go off and be a wizard... You have duties to your fellow Sparrerbarrers, and..."

"It's unfair! So unfair! Yer worse than yer uncle Beaglehopper, and you smell worse, an' all! I hate you!"

"Ari, you take that back you young periwinkle! You kiss my hand and you take that back!"

"Feck off, yer great gobshite, feck off! I'm not kissing your stinking hand! You can kiss my stinking arse!"

"Ari, you little shit, you come back 'ere! ARI! DON'T YOU SHOW YOUR FACE AROUND HERE AGAIN, YOU BADGERFONDLIN' ARSE!"

A distant door slammed, and Elder Dimble never set eyes upon Ari Fekweasle Sparrowbarrow Namfondle again. Ari had gone. Mumbler had gone. There was an elf nearby, they said, lived in a tree, learned in magic, like elves were wont to do, and wont to be, and Ari was going to make the elf show him the magic, show him how to make things be just by saying them, know everything, and all that. Then they'd be sorry.


He hadn't showed him, the daft buggar, that elf. He'd laughed. Said it was just twinkling lights, whistlin' magic, tricks for kids. Had no real innate gift, he reckoned. Pompous old gobshite. He was a gnome: he had hard feckin' graft. Honest effort. Toil. As Ari walked east, towards the distant city of Aretrian, he resisted the urge to look back. He'd heard in the old stories that he shouldn't. But he really wanted to. He really wanted to see that turgid old eejit burn. Living in a tree. Gobshite. Nowt wrong with a proper honest hole. That'd showed him.


It weren't like what he thought though, the big city. Ari'd turned up one morning on the steps of one of the private colleges what teach magic, looking a bit raggedy, looking rightly like he barely had a gold piece left in his pockets. Called him a feckin' midget, they did, a tramp, not from round 'ere, didn't he know? Costs, becoming a wizard, it does. Need to know the right stuff. Need to be born right. Even if he didn't need much of it, they had no place for feckin' midgets, they said. No room. Bastards. He broke in that night and burned down the shitting gatewarden's hovel as the fecker slept in it. He fecked right off, didn't look back, imagined the eejit burning. Knocked the next day on the door at the city guard, said he'd come into town that morning and already heard they was looking for work. Handy with a bow he was, our Ari. Split an arrer with an arrer at fifty paces. Small. Quiet. Could get about places them big folks couldn't always. Killed a kobold before, too. Knee on his windpipe, watching the little gobshite stop living. Plus he could make lights pop out of his fingers like. Nifty, under the ground.

So I've actually made my mind up now - Ari Sparrowbarrow is a bard and a gnome, and he adventures for the purpose of learning everything.

edit: I've got 55 GP spare. It could go towards a 10th of a Wand of CLW if anyone wants to contribute, or if anyone needs anything in particular, or can suggest something under about 1lb I could buy...

[Nerjin]

I could contribute 7gp to it. If that's even allowed. I'm adding in a line about how Culpa Maxima's last name isn't his true one. As a matter of fact, I am changing his name from Culpa Maxima to Culpa Baeta.