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[SimRobert2001]

Okay, so, With toady starting to rewrite happiness, what should happen to the tantrum Spiral.  Its a source of "FUN!!!" that many of us have come to rely on. So, what do YOU want to see in the new happiness rewrite? Frankly, i'd love to see a bit more balance.  having a great dining room acting a s a giant crack machine seems to be a bit overpowered.  However, the tantrum spiral itself seems to be a bit troublesome.  its impossible to get out of, so it may not be as "fun" as some of us want it to be. Its always "wait it out, its already started." Now, I would like to see the following:

1) tantrum spirals are still a thing.  Fist fights, sword fights, general infighting, theft, pranks. 
Imagine a dwarf stealing food from another just before they eat.  They start to attack one another.  One decides to put honey, food, or moss in someone's hair.  Beds are shortsheeted. One dwarf punches another. These would be the mean pranks, ones not out of fun, but out of pure malice.  They exist only to upset the other dwarves, while the pranker fills better.

2) Dwarves have different coping methods. 
Two dwarves who love fighting start a brawl. However, they BOTH get a happy thought, as the love of fighting nixes out the "has gotten hurt." However, the dwarf who loves peace is getting a bad thought, as she doesn't want to fight.

Dwarves can get a special "grieve" function, in which the dwarf spends her time alone, finds herself spending a month in a "grieve" function.  However, if she is unable to find the space, she gets a further bad thought from the "grieve" function.  A dwarf who loves waterfalls would find that she wants a waterfall, or face a bad, thought, ect. 

The artisty ones, can grab a favorite material, and in a corner somewhere, make a item that commemorates whatever event they feel worst about at the time.

[smjjames]

Well, lets see how the dwarf thought rewrite goes and what comes out of it.

[StagnantSoul]

For all we know, that's what Toady's doing.

[smjjames]

Having a dining room/drinking hall/booze stockpile 'bar brawl' break out that doesn't rise to the level of a tantrum spiral would certainly be entertaining.

Might require a 'drunk tank' layer setup for the justice system though.

[cikulisu]

brawling in the dining room?

that's a hammerin'

[thvaz]

I would like to see brawlings erupt from time to time, but they should be controllable with a proper justice system. As it is, once a tantrum spiral begins it will end only with most of your fortress in shambles.

[dwarf_reform]

I'd like to see in-game options to enable or disable whichever features of dwarven mood you wanted, maybe even some options where you can make dwarves more tantrum-prone, to maintain dwarflyness.. Being able to turn ghosts and discipline on and off would be cool too.

I personally don't like dwarven grudges (though they are an amazing feature!), or would play with them off most of the time if I could.. It'd be nice to play a fort where I didn't have to focus on keeping dwarves happy at all (a toggle for not caring about being naked would be appreciated too)..

[SimRobert2001]

I would like to see brawlings erupt from time to time, but they should be controllable with a proper justice system. As it is, once a tantrum spiral begins it will end only with most of your fortress in shambles.

I'm curious as to how you see a "proper Justice system."

[bluephoenix]

I personally don't like dwarven grudges (though they are an amazing feature!), or would play with them off most of the time if I could.. It'd be nice to play a fort where I didn't have to focus on keeping dwarves happy at all (a toggle for not caring about being naked would be appreciated too)..

You can mod that in yourself if you want to, keeping dwarves happy is not too difficult if you manage to keep them alive.
Anyway to achieve what you want you need to add the "NOEMOTION" tag to their creature raw.

[Xazo-Tak]

Here's an idea for guarding a fort against tantrum spirals:
Just give the fort two burrows, to prevent socializing between two halves of the fort.
And if a tantrum spiral breaks out, then it can be sealed off without consequences for the unassociated safe half of the fort.

[Sebastian2203]

If Toady ever gets to that point where we will be able to play for other races, I hope tantrum spirals wont be the same like for Dwarves.

I imagine dwarves as angry, drunk ( increases your "I don't care if I punch this guy") beards.
But for other races, please no. Humans would never experience such a chain reaction we see in DF.

And back to the main topic, I think tantrum spirals should stay the way they are. I think its Toady's intention for it to be death-sentence when it occurs.

[Puzzlemaker]

I mean it happens in real life.  Except we call it a "riot".

[slothen]

its impossible to get out of

It can be waited out.  It can be as deadly as the black death but more often than not the fortress is capable of recovering.

Some good ideas you have there.

[SimRobert2001]

its impossible to get out of

It can be waited out.  It can be as deadly as the black death but more often than not the fortress is capable of recovering.

Some good ideas you have there.

Well, I meant "impossible to get out of" as in , nothing you can build will help you.

Yes, you can wait it out, but at that point, You have basically failed as an overlord.  The question is, SHOULD it happen the way is does, AS easy as it does? I love failure as much as the next person, But, at the same time, I do like a nice "easy" for that kind of runs itself for an hour or so. Personally, I think it DOES need to be changed. As someone else said above, when this happens to humans, we call it a riot.  I would like dwarves to riot, not necessarily destroying EVERYTHING, but to simply riot.  There's almost too much murder, and not enough sensless property destruction and theft.

[MDFification]

its impossible to get out of

It can be waited out.  It can be as deadly as the black death but more often than not the fortress is capable of recovering.

It can also be survive with negligible damage if you plan your fortress right. A large, well-stocked jail, a preexisting large available graveyard, etc. A particularly good strategy is to dig an area of extreme high quality rooms, good food, a statue garden and some waterfalls and burrow the least happy dwarves in it. That'll keep them from committing your otherwise sane dwarves you can use to pull through the spiral to the hospital/graveyard unless they go berserk. I've always found that the spirals are overstated in difficulty by the playerbase; they're fairly easy to prevent and possible to contain until they abate.