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[Delta Foxtrot]

That is my understanding of the process.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Sounds good. So we're just waiting for Karlito to select their first nation before we begin with the drafting?

[tompliss]

I'm not waiting for Karlito to see whether the 30 nations that seem nice actually are nice, personally :p

[USEC_OFFICER]

I'm not waiting either. I'm just eager to finalize my selection to focus on making a good pretender for a single nation, that's all.

[lijacote]

I'd like to take Shadowgandor's place, seeing as how my games are all falling apart. Unless it's too late, of course.

Ah, you'd like eight players. Well, maybe I'd better bow out then. I'll wait for your judgment, though.

[Boksi]

I'm not waiting for Karlito to see whether the 30 nations that seem nice actually are nice, personally :p

I'm not waiting either. I'm just eager to finalize my selection to focus on making a good pretender for a single nation, that's all.

It's like neither of you know how to procrastinate at all. Sheesh.

[tompliss]

Well, I need things to do while at work, once I've read the emotion threads :-°

[Culise]

I'm not waiting for Karlito to see whether the 30 nations that seem nice actually are nice, personally :p

I'm not waiting either. I'm just eager to finalize my selection to focus on making a good pretender for a single nation, that's all.

It's like neither of you know how to procrastinate at all. Sheesh.

I always wanted to learn, but I simply never got around to it.

[Karlito]

I've come up with a "first pick candidate", but there are a few other contenders I have to play around with. I'll definitely make a pick before this evening, and then hopefully it can proceed pretty quickly from there. There's actually kind of an interesting game here, in that, if I pick a nation that seems too strong and it gets banned, I'll have wasted the advantage the first pick gives me.

[tompliss]

No, Karlito :
You'll pick 2 nations and one of them will be banned.
First "turn", everybody picks a nation, second "turn" everybody picks another nation, third "turn" everybody bans one of the 2 nations of the "next" player in the list.

If you're going for meta-strat, you should pick 2 nations that are objectively good, but also good against one another (as the one you get banned from your picks will not be played at all).

[Delta Foxtrot]

I'd like to take Shadowgandor's place, seeing as how my games are all falling apart. Unless it's too late, of course.

Ah, you'd like eight players. Well, maybe I'd better bow out then. I'll wait for your judgment, though.

And we have nine. Just right for Peliwyr. Saves me the trouble of picking a new map. I'll put you in shadowgandor's spot.

[E. Albright]

If you're going for meta-strat, you should pick 2 nations that are objectively good, but also good against one another (as the one you get banned from your picks will not be played at all).

There's also the meta-strat of "which do they think is stronger" when picking your nation to ban, which could lead to a "do I think someone else will pick it if I wait to use my second pick vs. do I think my preference for it will be too clear if I pick it first" calculation. That, or I'm overthinking things...

[tompliss]

About Peliwyr :
I don't think there are many no-start provinces.
If we're going for numerous thrones (15-20), it's really easy to get a really bad start. during my tests, I had many times where I had only 1 viable land province nearing my capital (throne provinces, swamps, water provinces,...).

[Karlito]

I think in the case where all of us are perfectly rational, and the nations can be trivially ranked in order of power, the best I could do is the 10th best nation, though I might be wrong about that. Anyway, that hypothetical maps poorly onto reality.

First Pick: Nation 139: Takfan, Reverend Epoch

lijacote is next

[tompliss]

OK, we've got a problem.
My 139 is named Maremar.

When you start Nationgen, do you have the line about it being in "version 0.5.0 (2nd of July 2014)" ?