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[Caz]

Do guys generally start wanting to force themselves on children when they get sexually frustrated? Because, that has never happened to me ever.

There's people like that - they're called pedophiles.

I don't think the strategy of "let priests marry so maybe the pedophiles among them will put their attention into other areas maybe~" has any merit at all. It's pretty much a fact that rapists don't stop raping just because there's sex available, etc. It's kind of mind boggling that people would even come to that conclusion.

[smeeprocket]

Do guys generally start wanting to force themselves on children when they get sexually frustrated? Because, that has never happened to me ever.

There's people like that - they're called pedophiles.

I don't think the strategy of "let priests marry so maybe the pedophiles among them will put their attention into other areas maybe~" has any merit at all. It's pretty much a fact that rapists don't stop raping just because there's sex available, etc. It's kind of mind boggling that people would even come to that conclusion.

Yea that's just one of many rape myths. The concept that a guy isn't responsible for raping someone because he was overcome by his sexual instincts and had no control.

That one gets pushed a lot.

I played a game called Winter Voices, about a girl realizing she had suppressed a rape years back. It was a terrible game, full of rape apology. I posted on the forums, and the dev actually empathized with the rapist, said he was a good father and hard worker. In the game, the impression is that he "just lost control."

I actually had that game removed from my steam library. Looking at it made me ill.

[TD1]

They have a life time's worth of sexual tension.

The weak snap. Those prone to snapping have even more reason to snap. There is perhaps a certain frame of mind that encourages paedophilia, but it seems that sexually tension combined with a constant proximity to that which could release it still makes it a lot more likely.

I don't know if they're straight out child-lusting weirdo rapists, or people twisted to it.

[Baffler]

In America the policy is to not do the abortions, I have never heard of them making exceptions. So no, I am not saying fuck those guys, I am saying where the fuck are those guys? While we are at it, they need to stay away from women's uteruses in general. They have no business there with their maiden/mother/whore perception of women.

I say nobody listens to Francis because.. nobody does? No one powerful in the church has changed their tune since he arrived. So what good is he? He told them they focus too much on abortion, they continue to be one of the bigger threats to women's healthcare and drive away conversations about safe sex and contraception in poorer countries where it needs to be discussed (and at home, actually.)

Catholicism is female oppression personified. It promotes women as the birth of sin, makes their sexuality evil, controls their reproductive system, and just generally does bad things without even giving them the courtesy of the lowest tiers of leadership so they can participate in their own oppression.

Eh, perhaps it's best to avoid that particular topic. I don't intend to be banned today.

[smeeprocket]

They have a life time's worth of sexual tension.

The weak snap. Those prone to snapping have even more reason to snap. There is perhaps a certain frame of mind that encourages paedophilia, but it seems that sexually tension combined with a constant proximity to that which could release it still makes it a lot more likely.

I don't know if they're straight out child-lusting weirdo rapists, or people twisted to it.

Pedophilia and rape are not something you get twisted into. It is a product of a disturbed mind, or one that simply perceives those around him as objects to be used and discarded in the most violent fashion possible.

You could go 70 years without even jerking it, and it's not going to make you want to sodomize a little boy unless it's little boys that you are attracted to.

No amount of sex is going to make a rapist or a pedophile not do that or lessen it. They have a desire to rape, so they will rape. It is what they do. They are less than animals, subhuman, and there really shouldn't be excuses made to justify their actions. Because none of those justifications hold water.

Jerry Sandusky probably got plenty from his wife, but he had quite a long and active career of raping boys, regardless. I could bother with other examples, but it just seems like this should be obvious. It's like saying a man HAS to murder someone because he hasn't gotten in a fistfight lately. Except the implications and results of that myth are about a hundred times worse.

[Caz]

Yea that's just one of many rape myths. The concept that a guy isn't responsible for raping someone because he was overcome by his sexual instincts and had no control.

That one gets pushed a lot.

It's pretty damn insulting to the male gender too. Hell, in the middle east women cover up to show only their eyes because they don't want to spark 'lust' in men or some other bullshit. People over there get a hardon if they see a woman's ankle - seriously. It doesn't really help because they just continue sexualising whatever is 'forbidden' to them. In USA it's tits, in Africa everyone walks around topless, and in the Middle East if you show your upper arm you're tempting rape. Sad to say that I think religion usually supports the idea that men are 'helpless' against their base desires and therefore have to repent, praise God, pay money to their church for forgiveness etc. It's pretty much a trap.

I posted on the forums, and the dev actually empathized with the rapist, said he was a good father and hard worker. In the game, the impression is that he "just lost control."

I actually had that game removed from my steam library. Looking at it made me ill.

Wtf. Some people.

[smeeprocket]

Yea that's just one of many rape myths. The concept that a guy isn't responsible for raping someone because he was overcome by his sexual instincts and had no control.

That one gets pushed a lot.

It's pretty damn insulting to the male gender too. Hell, in the middle east women cover up to show only their eyes because they don't want to spark 'lust' in men or some other bullshit. People over there get a hardon if they see a woman's ankle - seriously. It doesn't really help because they just continue sexualising whatever is 'forbidden' to them. In USA it's tits, in Africa everyone walks around topless, and in the Middle East if you show your upper arm you're tempting rape. Sad to say that I think religion usually supports the idea that men are 'helpless' against their base desires and therefore have to repent, praise God, pay money to their church for forgiveness etc. It's pretty much a trap.

I posted on the forums, and the dev actually empathized with the rapist, said he was a good father and hard worker. In the game, the impression is that he "just lost control."

I actually had that game removed from my steam library. Looking at it made me ill.

Wtf. Some people.

Yea I backed out of debating that whole thing because it was causing me severe depression. Like I had a huge downward spiral for a few weeks after playing the game and reading the devs comments to my questions. The game was really (textually) graphic about the whole thing. Also, she realizes this after two attempted rapes, also graphic, and being told by this old dude that is supposed to be like a father figure that she "provokes" men. The dev said women should act like slaves if they don't want to get raped. As in, it was unfortunate, but sorry ladies, that's just how you have to behave.


Baffler:

This is part and parcel of christian religion and well within the bounds of discussion because it has such an impact on third world countries and on women in developed parts of the world as well. Even just steering clear of the abortion debate, access to birth control, sex education, and a general knowledge of one's own body, as well as the ability to get a pap smear now and then are important.

Your religion, which you profess to not believe in but feel is beneficial to society and even necessary, hurts women as an active parts of its role in the world. It promotes, as I said, a maiden/mother/whore outlook on the nature of women. There's no room for any sort of individuality or expression, you are only ever one of those things in the eyes of the faith.

[Caz]

The dev said women should act like slaves if they don't want to get raped. As in, it was unfortunate, but sorry ladies, that's just how you have to behave.

Once people start saying things like that you know it's pointless to continue discourse with them, sadly.

[Baffler]

You're confusing me with Helgo. Though I suppose it's an easy mistake to make, our avatars are really similar.

[smeeprocket]

In America the policy is to not do the abortions, I have never heard of them making exceptions. So no, I am not saying fuck those guys, I am saying where the fuck are those guys? While we are at it, they need to stay away from women's uteruses in general. They have no business there with their maiden/mother/whore perception of women.

I say nobody listens to Francis because.. nobody does? No one powerful in the church has changed their tune since he arrived. So what good is he? He told them they focus too much on abortion, they continue to be one of the bigger threats to women's healthcare and drive away conversations about safe sex and contraception in poorer countries where it needs to be discussed (and at home, actually.)

Catholicism is female oppression personified. It promotes women as the birth of sin, makes their sexuality evil, controls their reproductive system, and just generally does bad things without even giving them the courtesy of the lowest tiers of leadership so they can participate in their own oppression.

Eh, perhaps it's best to avoid that particular topic. I don't intend to be banned today.

I'm talking about this comment. Unless what you were going to say was in and of itself bannable. In which case, I guess it would be best not to delve into the topic.

I just think not discussing it is simply avoiding a large part of the problem with organized religion (and not just Christianity.)

Oh I see, I'm kind of half responding to both of you. Yea the avatars are confusing.

[Baffler]

I don't want to discuss the church's stance on abortion because it's super inflammatory, and I feel almost as strongly about it as you seem to. So I'm just going to ignore the issue to avoid cluttering up the thread with an angry back and forth that doesn't lead to anything constructive.

[Frumple]

... do remember that this is not the "problems with organized religion" thread. If you want to have that particular discussion, go make a thread for it. Otherwise, maybe reign in the meta and wait for folks to actually share christian beliefs on whatever the subject is, instead of going on yet another irreligious rant.

[smeeprocket]

Okay, it's hardly a rant, but let's focus on dogma.

The maiden/mother/whore trilogy I mentioned. How does that fit into your view of Catholicism?

Actually this is hard to ask now because he's not actually a faithful.

[Rolan7]

... do remember that this is not the "problems with organized religion" thread. If you want to have that particular discussion, go make a thread for it. Otherwise, maybe reign in the meta and wait for folks to actually share christian beliefs on whatever the subject is, instead of going on yet another irreligious rant.

Yes yes this, there's a ton of interesting, less upsetting stuff posted today just waiting for Christians to respond to.

[smeeprocket]

I'm not trying to trash the thread. I just have like a billion questions because of inconsistencies and injustices that I'd like some sort of better grasp on.

I am very confused by faith, despite having been Christian at one point.

Also, what does Christianity really provide for a believer? Scientists did some studies on prayer with the sick. They had a control group that no one prayed for, a group that a church prayed for but they didn't know about it, and one that a church prayed for and they were told about it.

Recovery was the same for the first two, it was actually slower for the last, as if they had some sort of performance anxiety.

I have never had prayer really do anything. Like, any success I could have attributed to it is inconsistent enough to simply be coincidence. I never had God speak to me, and would be severely disturbed if I did start hearing divine voices.