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[tahujdt]

There's a verse somewhere where it specifies whether killing someone commiting a serious crime against you is murder or not. It says that if there's a criminal in the night and you struggle with him and maybe kill him, it's acceptable, but if it's in broad daylight, then it's not, i.e., if you have a way to take them alive, do so.

[Helgoland]

"Thou shalt not murder"
I'm pretty sure self murder counts here, suicide is just as bad as walking up to someone you bully all the time and shoot him in the face cause you don't think he needs to live anymore

Have you ever been suicidal? I have. I've stood on a bridge wanting to jump. The only reason I didn't was that I was too much of a coward to go through with it. Suicide does not as a rule involve any moral categories such as 'deserving to die' or any such bullshit. It's literally the last resort when no other way of action promises relief.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone about to kill themself. About to throw away the rest of their life. All the happiness, all the experiences, all the good things they may yet encounter. And about to do so willingly, accepting all the consequences. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who themself has decided that the next minute - literally the next minute - will be their last one.

And then tell me again that suicide is the same as murder.

Those people need help, not a verict. I've been one of the very lucky ones. There's no need to piss all over the graves of those who weren't as lucky as me.

[Orange Wizard]

Let's not debate the ethics of suicide. Too many flames ready to leap up.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

"Thou shalt not murder"
I'm pretty sure self murder counts here, suicide is just as bad as walking up to someone you bully all the time and shoot him in the face cause you don't think he needs to live anymore

Have you ever been suicidal? I have. I've stood on a bridge wanting to jump. The only reason I didn't was that I was too much of a coward to go through with it. Suicide does not as a rule involve any moral categories such as 'deserving to die' or any such bullshit. It's literally the last resort when no other way of action promises relief.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone about to kill themself. About to throw away the rest of their life. All the happiness, all the experiences, all the good things they may yet encounter. And about to do so willingly, accepting all the consequences. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who themself has decided that the next minute - literally the next minute - will be their last one.

And then tell me again that suicide is the same as murder.

Those people need help, not a verict. I've been one of the very lucky ones. There's no need to piss all over the graves of those who weren't as lucky as me.

Thanks for bringing back bad memories

Yes I've pondered suicide
And no I didn't go as far as you have so maybe I'm just wrong but suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem
It doesn't solve anything, it's a waste of life, and it's the murder of one's self. It's wrong

[TD1]

There's nothing that is inherently wrong. It depends on reasoning. Is murder wrong? Yes? Then why do we fight wars? Why do we kill to protect ourselves? Why do we eat meat.

After all, animal's God's creature too. He loves it, we eat it: The Heavenly Bucket Menu Deal.

[Orange Wizard]

Humans created in God's image. Animals created for humans' plates.

[TD1]

Indeed.

So we, as physical beings, look like our spiritual creator? Like a rock looking like the water that carved it?

Or is it morally and mentally? Are we invested with certain God-Given gifts? Yet another display of favourtism...but it provides a fascinating glimpse into the mind of a God who seems human, and so made humanity based off himself. And all the other animals? Just to sustain man. They suffer? Die? Writhe in agony? It's fine. They're sub-species. Made to be devoured by man.

But hey, I love all of creation, man!

To clarify, I love eating meat, I haven't gone all hippy elf

[Frumple]

Y'know, strictly speaking, the bible doesn't actually give an outright stricture against cannibalism. Portrays it fairly negatively, but...

... there's the whole Streaker J omnomnom thing that's been a ritual practice for a long while now. Considering ritual cannibalism (albeit symbolic, at least depending on how literal you take transubstantiation) is a long and historied practice within Christian churches...

Can't help but wonder if it's a "Methinks you dost protest too much" situation.

[Gentlefish]

What's funny: The areas with the most Christian influence are also the areas who are all

BUT MUH GUNS

Why is this a thing that's a thing? Isn't the base of Christianity, at least in the New Testament, all about being kind to each other an not, uh, waving guns at everyone?

[tahujdt]

What's funny: The areas with the most Christian influence are also the areas who are all

BUT MUH GUNS

Why is this a thing that's a thing? Isn't the base of Christianity, at least in the New Testament, all about being kind to each other an not, uh, waving guns at everyone?

Jesus wasn't exactly an anti-weapons guy. At one point, he actually tells his followers to go out and get some swords, just in case.

[Frumple]

... does he actually say anything about anything except swords, though? Maybe the guy was just really fond of swords, but didn't like anything else. Hard to say without some verse to back it up.

By the numbers, though, more of the christian population is outside the US than inside it. Only about a third was in the states back in 2010, and the south american and african christian populations are growing faster, iirc. Might be better to look to other parts of the world if you're looking for major influence areas, and around a forth of 'em are in europe, which is fairly anti-gun by the state's MUH GUNS crowd's metrics.

[Helgoland]

Thanks for bringing back bad memories

Yes I've pondered suicide
And no I didn't go as far as you have so maybe I'm just wrong but suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem
It doesn't solve anything, it's a waste of life, and it's the murder of one's self. It's wrong

I won't argue that it's not wrong - because any decent ethics system will say that it is -, but I will argue that there's a fundamental difference between suicide and murder. Commiting murder means trying to shape the world by removing the murdered from it; commiting suicide means removing oneself from it. Most people who actually intend to kill themselves don't wish to make an impact on the world; they merely want to no longer exist - that's why 'Think of those left behind' is such a strong argument. The aim of suicide is fundamentally different from the aim of murder; that's why we must not lump those two together.
The Roman Catholic Church's argument against suicide runs along the lines of 'Your life belongs to God, therefore you must not throw it away', IIRC, which is fairly different from just defaulting to 'It's murder'.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

What's funny: The areas with the most Christian influence are also the areas who are all

BUT MUH GUNS

Why is this a thing that's a thing? Isn't the base of Christianity, at least in the New Testament, all about being kind to each other an not, uh, waving guns at everyone?

Jesus wasn't exactly an anti-weapons guy. At one point, he actually tells his followers to go out and get some swords, just in case.

There's also a verse that basicaly says a man without a sword isn't a man or something along those lines
I'm probably way off but there is a verse about being a guy without a sword ain't a good thing

[TheDarkStar]

So we, as physical beings, look like our spiritual creator? Like a rock looking like the water that carved it?

More like a child looking like it's parents, according to my religion.

[Orange Wizard]

What's funny: The areas with the most Christian influence are also the areas who are all

BUT MUH GUNS

Why is this a thing that's a thing? Isn't the base of Christianity, at least in the New Testament, all about being kind to each other an not, uh, waving guns at everyone?

Jesus wasn't exactly an anti-weapons guy. At one point, he actually tells his followers to go out and get some swords, just in case.

There's also a verse that basicaly says a man without a sword isn't a man or something along those lines
I'm probably way off but there is a verse about being a guy without a sword ain't a good thing

Sounds like it might be in reference to the "sword of the spirit", i.e., a good knowledge of Scripture.