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[LMeire]

I have no idea if it's possible to change what faction you are but it sounds awesome.

How about questing after relics, as in the old legends of Excalibur, the Holy Grail, or the Golden Fleece? Like the Orc raiding system but with lower chances of success, the main benefit being a small boost to purity just from running it and possibly a special weapon/armor piece. ~65% of nothing, ~5% of killing the worker, ~20% of bringing back some super-valuable furniture, (So it makes people happy when they look at it.) ~10% of bringing back a weapon or armor made of a random material.

A special "incense candle" tool be required to run most (un)holy rituals, made with a bag of leaves, a thread, and a blob of wax/tallow.

Another idea: Pilgrimages: Sending out an expedition to find a legendary location, pay some respects when they get there, and bring something back to put to practical use.

Possible pilgrimage examples:

Take an empty barrel and investigate rumors about a "Fountain of Youth", ~95% chance of unit returning with an ordinary barrel of water, ~5% chance of returning with a barrel of eternal youth potion.

Take a bag and set out to collect a featherwood sapling to process and farm for fort use. Evil equivalent collects glumprong sapling instead, with a risk of killing the harvester.

Pay respects at a legendary tomb, costs incense candles to burn in effigy on location, doesn't do anything but increase purity rating. Evil pilgrimage robs the tomb instead hopefully while the guardians inside are distracted by the placating incense smoke, resulting in a bit of treasure and taint should the robber be successful.

As for the equipment issue: A "Chapterhouse" building, used to communicate with the main organization for resupplying. Really slow reactions due to the bureaucracy, but they provide standard arms and armor in exchange for purity points. (If it's even possible, that is. I'm a history/folklore enthusiast, not a coder.) Negotiation or Persuasion could decrease the time it takes to request goods.

[taldarus]

 The lack of knowledge is what kills me. I am really fluctuating on the writ vs purity aspect. As I can use writs kinda like a currency, its within my scope. Also I am kinda hung up without someone to help or explain dfhack to me. Very Boring doing nothing! So back to original idea. Not a big deal, just easier to work with. (Smiles on inside) I would like to integrate corruption. Is it possible to control?

IE: I am thinking of plump helmet men and their revolts. Never messed with them (it is on the list, unfortunately df has a VERY long list for me ) If the take over the fort, the player loses or just maintains the usual controls but with a new.... Screw it... gonna make one after the post....

I think people all like the idea of being able to 'fall', and I have no idea how to add that without the last post. Now that I think about it, it was the main reason I dropped my writs...

Just gonna make writs a currency for the faction. I can do something this way, and if someone steps up who can dfhack we can worry about it then. It will function exactly as above, but clutter the fort with 'papers'. Of course, I will study corruption men to see if I can implement corruption without dfhack.

Like the ideas. Pilgrimage is perfect for getting holy relics (Early game currency). Add in a small chance of something actually useful. Still thinking over the rest, but history buffs are useful for ideas! Also could use some hardcore warhammer buffs, more a 40k man myself. Warhammer sounds a bit closer imo.

So its one of my many days off.
Goals for today:
-Study plump helmet men (For corruption, not fun!)
-Create a working writ system
-Figure out negative consequences (May tinker with diplomacy as well some form of anti currency)

Note: I feel this post is out of date. As I totally read the forum rules, I already know the answer, I just want to test the rest of you. Can I repost here? Or should I check with Meph, so I don't clutter things up?

[Meph]

The forum rules I inveted was just to slow down the creation of single threads for single questions, which make more sense to be all together, so that people that have the same problem can find them easier.

You can open as many threads about as many topics as you like. Besides, I am not a moderator, thats only Toady.

[taldarus]

Not a full post, but I have been busy with real life. Supposed to be 'free' time got eaten up. Still more free time ahead though, so I feel that I will be able to have a working system figured out by the end.

To do List:

   * Limit start supplies
   * Study Object mechanics
   * Limit animals (wagon?)
   * Go through workshops (hardcoded) - Try and rename/change function (High Priority?)
      * Get supplies (Food, timber, drink, clothes, medical stuff)
      * Get armor and weapons
      * Questing Site
      * Pilgrimage (Casting materials) (169 Count) (3 reactions?)
         * Search for Trinket (Amulet), Symbol (Scepter), Artifact (Figurine)
         * Blessed Trinket - 81 (50%)
         * Blessed Symbol - 27 (15%)
         * Blessed Artifact - 9 (5%)
         * Holy Trinket - 27
         * Holy Symbol - 9
         * Holy Artifact - 3   (1.7%)
         * Sacred Trinket -9
         * Sacred Symbol - 3
         * Sacred Artifact - 1 (0.5%)
      * Magical Facilities (Blessed, Holy, and Sacred - Each requires an equivalent Pilgrimage, and subsequent buildings materials)
         * 3 Tiers of Shrines
            * Blessed Shrine (Healing Building)
            * Holy Shrine (Stronger Heals, Unit buff's)
            * Sacred Shrine (Strongest Buff's, Potential Powerhouse unit source)
         * 3 Tiers of Temples
            * Blessed Temple (Early Source of writs = Supplies, honors the dead?)
            * Holy Temple (Low level Equipment buffs, Better version of Writs?)
            * Sacred Temple (Powerful Equipment buffs, 1 defense spell)
         * 3 Tiers of Reliquaries
            * Blessed Reliquary (Early Defensive structure, traps and wards)
            * Holy Reliquary (Reformat Biome?)
            * Sacred Reliquary (Ultimate abilities)
               * Create the Mother
   * Economy will function like this - Multiple tiers of embassy type workshops for each (every?) faction. As your faction grows, a random (1% chance'ish) writ will unlock the next tier, symbolizing a growing relationship with the relative faction, it will give access to the higher quality resources better deals.
      * Receive calls for aid (A random, no risk task that leads to receiving, special faction assignments)
         * Defend village, town, city, king
         * Hunt terrorizing megabeast
         * etc
      * Call for supplies
         * 50% food stuffs
         * 50% building mats
         * 45% other
      * Call for aid
         * 30% one member
         * 25% second
         * 20% third
         * 15% fourth
         * 10% fifth
         * 5% sixth
      * Call for armaments (faction specific)
         * 20% armor (per piece, one set)
         * 20% weapons
   * Headquarters
      * Send out patrols (Increases the security of the region, gives a 'document' allowing an increased success chance for diplomatic missions
      * Hunt for enemies (High risk, but gain a writ?)
      * Mass an Assualt (Unlock something special)
         * Need something to simulate leaving soldiers. I see a reverse *spawn citizen* reaction. Need something, not just a flat % for loosing 'one' member
         * Deploy Troops Reaction (Worker is converted into a 'resource' of some sort, need to study warlocks rose 'sleeper' thing). This way they are potentially consumed in the above reactions -- Current focus point. I think it is something that could really put a shine on MW and DF both. Never know how far I will go, but this is a good idea. Gonna try and get it working tomorrow. Oh, crap, might need DFHack...

EDIT:
*Need better names for stuff...
*Need a working nature interaction
*Need a corruption system (Still no idea here)

EDIT 2:
*Already got a worse case scenario for soldier reaction. Run a reaction that always 'kills' the worker. Always creates a token that represents soldier strength deployed in the field (active duty - working title). This can be refunded at the same place. Course, you will loose any skills. I see this as useful with population control, storing citizens in a way. Good for FPS.

EDIT 3:
This will also allow more creativity and balance in the gameplay. See orcs as an example:

Risky raid v Safe raid

Risky has a reduced chance of success, and represents a small incersion type operation. In many ways someone could die, but it almost random. As they sneak into a camp, one of them breaks a twig...
75% - Orc soldier token
75% - Orc soldier token
75% - Orc soldier token
85% - to fail

Safe is likely to suceed, but should loose someone. This can reflect a more 'pitched' battle, where you attack, loose one guy but get the goods.
95% - Orc soldier token
95% - Orc soldier token
95% - Orc soldier token
95% - Orc soldier token
95% - Orc soldier token

  <= This is me having fun
95% - Orc soldier token
15% - to fail

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I skimmed pages four and 5 I admit but here's my thoughts on this and some of my own suggestions/stupid ideas. For simplicity's sake and since they tend to be the most dominant race in younger worlds anyway (at least in my experience,) this assumes the order is composed of humans primarily. Some of these ideas are taken partly from the good ol' sphess mahreens, and various nobles are inspired by Christian clergy rankings or pulled from elsewhere.

Reproduction: The militant order version isn't strictly one gender and doesn't discourage marriage but doesn't encourage it either. Population ratio is heavily skewed towards males (enforcing that the order prefers to recruit men but won't say no to women of sufficient valor or persistence) Invokes men as the expendable ones from a gameplay standpoint simply because for this "race" they're much more numerous and for the sake of preserving the "race" married folk need to be protected but by the very nature of being in a militant order are just as capable fighters as well (if they aren't order serfs anyway.)

Graphics: Simplification by using humans as the base solves this, even if it's kind of irritating.

Only order serfs and initiates can be converted to ghouls or corrupted beings for the succubi and warlocks. Initiates and above are either immune (Angels, Living Saints) or commit suicide (Templars, Knights, Paladins, Clerics) during the corruption rituals/spells (The interactions kill them or have a case of No Sell)


INTERNAL THREATS

• Dark Covens will seek to corrupt lesser knights, clerics, and the many varieties of order serf in a similar fashion to the carp cult, aiming to turn them against the rest of the order or severely weaken it.
• Warlock Spies will attempt to sabotage the citadel from within, using their magic to conceal their true selves.
• More foolish werewolves may try to join the order to escape their past. Whether or not they are cured or killed is entirely up to the chapters who discover them in their ranks, but they are always a threat if allowed to live until cured.
• Succubi Infiltrators will try to pick apart the order by undermining the serfs, whispering foul lies and temptations to them resulting in these serfs trying to kill everyone around them out of jealousy, paranoia, or for false promises of reward (in contrast a Dark Coven will try to build a base among the serfs, initiates, and knights before striking; Succubi will simply try to kill as many as possible and as quickly as possible, without getting their own hands dirty in the process.)

CASTES
Most of what was suggested by others seems to fit nicely though I have my own take.

Spoiler: LABOR (click to show/hide)

 
All labor castes are alcohol dependant.

Order Serf: Common folk who've joined the order to assist it in building its temples, citadels, and chapterhouses in exchange for a chance to escape their past or in the hope of joining the order itself. Being commoners and not warriors they are easily depressed when things get rough, and most tend to try and drink away whatever metaphorical demons are eating them. Children born among the Order Serfs are screened by the order's Physicians and those deemed fit enough will eventually join the order proper as initiates, while the rest remain part of the order as Serfs like their parents, though they may one day make an effort to join themselves.

In times of need, the order may call on their humble serfs to take up arms alongside them, arming them with weapons easiest to use and obtain: Hatchets, spears, and crossbows.

• Make up majority of the race population alongside Initiates
• Learn most noncombat labors at normal rate
• Learn stoneworking, most metalworking labors save furnace operation, architecture, and all engineering skills save pump operation slower
• Learn axe, spear, and crossbow skills at a slightly faster rate (crossbows mainly just require some physical conditioning and axes/spears where among the most common tools/weapons in the old days)
• One of only two labor castes able to join the order knights proper.

=Specialists=

Order Smith: Some Serfs want to contribute more than just time at the plowshares or the odd bit of support fire with a crossbow while other seem born with a natural affinity for working metals and thus take up the role of a smith for the order. They are physically strong individuals from their work at the forge and are just as handy using their hammers to crack trespasser heads as they are using them to hammer metal.

• Above average strength
• Learns nonmetalworking and most combat skills slower.

Order Architect: Some serfs in their past life learned well the ways of brick and mortar, structural design, and the intricacy of the chisel, while others just seem to have been born with a knack for it. They are entrusted with planning and overseeing construction of the order's facilities in whatever region or island they come to, as well as crafting finer stone items like furniture. Their work demands great focus and attention to detail, lest that new Initiate barracks come crashing down on the hapless would-be knights and paladins.

• High Focus, Analytical Abilities, Intellect (may make them able to be more passable marksmen)
• Learns stoneworking and architecture much faster than regular serfs.

Order Engineer: Like the above, these folks were once members of the engineer's guild, apprentices thereof, or just plain talented in the field. They tend to the order's siege engines and maintain the traps used to delay invaders and ward of kidnappers. Due to the finicky nature of anything involving mechanisms and the fact that components are often quite heavy they are swift and strong, but their work with large machinery and weapons has left their actual combat skills lacking; they may know how to make a spring loaded trap to kill a ghoul or succubus, but standing and fighting them is a different matter entirely for them.

• Learn engineering skills much faster than other serfs
• Above average speed, intellect, and strength, but often lacking in other areas physically
• Learn most other skills considerably at a slower pace and combat skills are very hard for them to fully grasp, since they learned how to make a springy wooden arm or an industrial-sized crossbow do their fighting, not how to fight themselves.

Physicians: Tend to the wounded both Serf and Knight. Theirs is work of the spirit and of biology and as such they don't learn nonmedical labors besides herbalism and refuse to take part in hostilities. Viewed by many knights as weaklings with no stomach for spreading their god's word and destroying evil through action, they must also admit without these men (and sometimes women,) the order would slowly erode under all the evil's sheer weight of numbers.

• Do not learn combat or nonmedical labors save herbalism (to gather ingredients for medicines of course!)
• Physical traits geared towards their medicinal abilities

Preists/Preachers: Similar to Physicians, however they spend their time absorbed in prayer, public speaking/diplomacy, and writing rather than medicine. Responsible for handling adamantine, praying to the gods for material aid, and attracting new members. Some may opt to take to the battlefield however, abandoning these more peaceful pursuits to aid the knights and paladins in battle directly, taking a few months to meditate, learn the basics of warfare, and send word to their monastic orders that they have joined the Order Militant (requiring food, drink, a mace or hammer skill book, some ink, paper and 6 months time.)

• Recruit order serfs, initiates, and wandering knights for the order
• Handle writing, prayer, and tasks requiring the diplomacy and public speaking skills.
• Can become potent blunt weapon fighters
• One of only two labor castes able to join the order proper

Spoiler: COMBAT CASTES (click to show/hide)

All Order warriors learn noncombat skills either very (Initiates, Paladins, Clerics) slowly or not at all. Order serfs require 6 months to become initiates (indoctrination and education period requiring food, drink, and reusable "Order Introduction" Tome.) Initiates may become order serfs for a small fee (reimbursing the order for the food and drink rationed them during their initial education,) and a few months of (re)adjustment to life amongst the commons again.

Initiate: The bottom rung of the Order Militant. Physically greater specimens than the serfs (though not by a whole hell of alot) who tend to their logistics either due to training or by nature. Make up a rather high percentage of the population, being the combat equivalent to Order Serfs.

• Learn Noncombat skills very slowly.
• Learn combat skills at a slightly faster rate than normal

Knight: The first "real" warriors of the order. They have undergone rigorous  physical conditioning and arms training and taken an oath of honor to never refuse a challenge (likes fighting,) are physically superior to initiates in all manners, and have truly pledged themselves wholly to the order. They refuse to even consider taking on roles they deem fit only for the Order Serfs to do, being a little full of themselves thanks to their new standing. From here they can either become Templars or Paladins for a year's time and some resources.

• 6 month transformation time requiring a reusable "Book of Chivalry" tome, some food and drink, metal bars for training weights (Conditioning, training, and oath taking.)
• Learn no noncombat skills
• [LIKES_FIGHTING]
• Physically superior to initiates
• Learn combat skills much faster than initiates or serfs

Templars: Steadfast and uncompromising warriors who specialize in the use of swords and shields and lots of righteous fury. Evil creatures (from automatons and greenskins to demons and the undead) Sends them into a vicious frenzy as they strike at these dark foes with all their might. They feel no fear nor pain, and refuse to back down from a fight, lest the order's honor be stained and they look weak in the face of the very things they are sworn to destroy (missing limbs and broken ribs be damned!) Takes a full year of training, some food and drink, metal bars (for training weights,) and several tomes (Way of the Templar, Holy Scripture, and Sword and Shield skill books)

• Almost perfect physically
• Will not Learn noncombat skills
• More specialized than paladins, learning sword and shield skills faster than other combat skills (and only learn those other skills somewhat faster, being focused on using swords and shields.)
• Cannot learn marksman or bowman skills (after all how can they properly harness their wrath at a distance?)
• [PRONE_TO_RAGE]
• [NOFEAR]
• [NOPAIN]
• [LIKES_FIGHTING]

Paladins: More generalist fighters and often the face of the militant order. They are much more well adjusted in their oaths and while they still revile the likes of demons, the undead, and greenskins, they are not worked into a violent frenzy over it. Their abilities manifest as martial trances and learning skills at double the rate of a knight, though they aren't nearly as skilled as Templars are with their swords. Like Templars however they are able to handle pain and injury well. They have also come to respect the levy troops, lesser initiates, and Order Serfs without whom the order couldn't function and as such are willing to help in noncombat roles; they are still warriors first and anything else second however. Training time requires a year's time and several resources (many of the same for Templars, as well as Way of the Paladin in place of Way of the Templar, Holy Scripture, and a General Manual of Arms tome)

• Almost perfect physically
• Very, very slowly learn noncombat and nonmedical labors
• Learn all combat skills faster than any other regular order unit save for sword and shield (this is where Templars reign supreme.)
• [NOFEAR]
• [NOPAIN]
• [LIKES_FIGHTING]
• [TRANCES]

Cleric: Priests and monks who've chosen to abandon oaths of nonviolence so that they may help dispatch evil in a more direct fashion. They primarily fight with hammers and maces, learning these weapon skills far more quickly than even Paladins, and possess the ability to free the souls of the undead from their shambling shells and purging corruption from the decrepit likes of ghouls and zombies.

• Mace and hammer users
• Able to lay undead to rest, specifically those used by Warlocks (kill skeletons instantly, chance to kill/paralyze ghouls and general zombies. Obviously this ability requires a cooldown time of a few days at the least)
• Aside from their skills as priests and such prior to taking to the field, any noncombat skills are learned painfully slowly

Living Saint: Templars and Paladins who have done something truly great are blessed by the unnamed god directly either when they take notice or they eschew all else and are forced into his gaze by the rest of the order as a great hero. Physically perfect with very high mental stats and very altruistic personalities, as well as potent abilities against the undead (chance to destroy or paralyze skeletons, ghouls, and general undead.) They can also uncover those under the sway of a dark coven that has infiltrated the citadel without alerting them.

• Perfect physical specimens
• Learn no noncombat skills (though their agility and helpfulness make them excellent for rescuing wounded fighters, those this is a gross waste of their abilities)
• Can destroy corrupted beings (corrupted entities in Succubus covens/tribes/whatever you wanna call them,) and can cripple abilities of other dark beings (debuffs to succubi and warlocks, sapping their strength and endurance)
• Can only be created from natural births, Paladins, or Templars at great cost, though they may be well worth it.
• Requires a two-year long period of meditation and prayer, holy scripture, food, drink, and various items as tribute (a weapon, platinum statue, and several cut gems.)
• Cannot learn noncombat skills
• [NOEAT]
• [NODRINK]
• [TRANCES]
• No MAXAGE
• Naturally high combat skills and learns them faster than Paladins
• Able to spot covens in the serf's ranks without rousing their suspicion.

Angel: Unlike various gods of war and death and what have you, these angels are born of blessed individuals or are sent to the order to lead it. They are much larger than those they lead (about the size of an Uruk,) and are able to fly, as well as flush out dark covens (though you should be prepared for a fight if this happens,) lay various undead to rest, and once per week outright kill demonic creatures/servants be they fiends, succubi, blood beasts or what have you.

• Extremely rare; cannot be made by the player, only through natural birth
• Perfect physical specimens
• Much larger than a human
• [FLIER]
• [NOEAT]
• [NODRINK]
• [TRANCES]
• No MAXAGE
• Counters Dark Covens openly (be ready for a fight!)
• Can destroy demonic and dark magic entities (primarily succubi and warlock-related beings)
• Naturally high combat skills and learns them faster than Paladins

WORKSHOP IDEAS

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I just wanna say I like the temple and shrine upgrade things in the above post. Again, my own thoughts are on an "Order Militant" of some nondescript "good" deity rather than a separate race or alliance.

Holy Forge: While basic equipment can be made or bartered for, master smiths are entrusted with making potent arms and armor for the order. Like the orcish damascene forge, they make use of powered ores for the task, making sets of equipment for Paladins and Templars which are taken to a religious building for various effects.
-Shrine: Weapons gain additional pain effect against evil creatures; armors taken on a blessed material status, making it more effective than other armors of its material
-Temple: Weapons can inflict a painful and extreme blistering effect on evil creatures; armor produces an aura that lowers agility in evil creatures.
-Reliquary: Weapons gain a small chance to kill evil (non-orc/goblin) instantly; armor becomes more effective and allows the wearer to give evil creatures an excessivly painful jolt of lightning on physical contact (potentially knocking them out instantly if they feel pain.)

Each blessing is mutually exclusive.

Citadel Muster Field: Gathers equipment and troops to attack the evil being that plague the land.
Low Risk
Disperse Skulking Vermin: Least Expensive, requiring only food supplies as the levy brings its own equipment. A peasant levy is raised and sent to drive away a group of kobolds. Chance for bags of loot or a single rare item, taken from the tribe's hoard. Worst case scenario is the tribe has already escaped (no returns for the food investment, 50/50 chance of sucess.)
Clear Raid Camp: Slightly more expensive, requiring an Knights Errant Supplies tool (which requires various weapons and food supplies) A group of Knights Errant are called on to remove a goblin raiding camp in the area. Results in some rusty iron items (proof of the Knights' Victory) and perhaps some written document to improve success of recruiting new members. Small chance of provoking goblin counter attack.

Moderate Risk
Attack Raider Landing: Considerably greater chance of failure, several Errant supply kits are needed to outfit multiple groups of knights sent to destroy a Freelancer landing. Potentially yields numerous valuable trade items and document that can be used to entice more recruits to come to the citadel. 25% chances of provoking orc counter attack, 50% chance of failure (the Knights don't return, presumably having been killed to the last by the orcs.)

Purge Automaton Factory: Exactly what it says on the tin. Similar requirements and outcome chances to Raider Landing attack, yielding 1-3 boxes of engineering supplies and a destroyed automaton trophy if successful.

High Risk: Assaults on various evil factions. Will provoke counterattack and very high chance of failure.

Taiga Clanhold: A force of Elite Knights are sent to destroy a taiga clanhold. Success yields random society arms kits and an orcish standard of honor as a trophy that can be used to recruit an errant knight or displayed in the citadel.
Dark Fortress: An attack on a dark goblin fortress. Success yields various trade goods and a goblin war flag that can be used to entice an errant knight to join the citadel or put on display in the citadel.
Automaton Foundry: Success will yield 1-3 crates of firearms, ammunition, and a Destroyed Prototype trophy.
Frost Giant Stronghold: Success will yield a crate of bifrost bars and a Jotun's Bane scroll which can be used to bless a weapon to make it more effective against frost giants.
Succubus Dungeon: Success may yield a rescued prisoner (various order serfs or an initiate,) small quantities of stygian bronze or basiliskine, and a severed succubus head that can be used to recruit a Templar or Paladin or displayed in the citadel.
Warlock Tower: Success may yield a rescued prisoner (serfs or initiate,) Tower banner that can be used to recruit a Templar or Paladin. and a Magebane scroll that may be used to enchant a piece of armor that renders the wearer immune to many warlock spells.
Drow Stronghold: Success may yield a rescued prisoner, as well as a Matriarch's Banner and a crate of cavern goods (either silk, cavern wood, or a captured animal)

Prisoner rescue chances are extremely low (around 1-2%,) and both the Jotun's bane and Magebane scrolls are single use items, meaning it will take multiple assaults to arm a unit of giant slayers with enchanted weapons or immunize more than one knight against warlock spells.

Recruitment Station: Take a guess. All recruitment efforts except ones requiring special reagents have a chance of not working.
Attempt to inspire peasantry to enlist: A preacher tries to entice  the peasantry to join the order as serfs. Free, but very low success rate.
Offer pay for enlistment (general): 500 silver coins are given to the preacher to try and bring in recruits. About a 50/50 success rate, yielding a regular Order Serf.
Offer pay for enlistment (specialist): 500 gold coins are given to the preacher and given out to various specialist workers in a bid to buy their service to the order. 50/50 chance of getting a specialist serf depending on reaction chosen.
Entice Knights/Paladins/Templars to join: Using certain trophies, the preacher uses these items as proof that the order is a place for glory to be had, netting the order a new knight, paladin, or templar depending on the reaction chosen.

NOBLES

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

UPPER/SOCIAL: Primary leaders both military and religious. Baron/Count/Duke level nobles are appointed to tend to the needs of the order serfs and indicate importance of a location to the order/church. Being religious in nature, they have fewer mandates save pastors and deacons who maintain the one permitted mandate.

Chapter Master: Leader of the order on/in the island/region. Equivalent to other race leaders, and a position that may only be held by a Living Saint or Angel.
Field Marshal: Equivalent to other races' generals, and must be held by a Knight or above.
Veteran Captains and Lieutenants fill the same roles as the generic ones in other races, being appointed by the Field Marshal.

Cardinal: Duke level noble
Bishop: Count level noble
Pastor: Baron Level noble; upgrades Levy Commander to Knight Captain and Magistrate to Inquisitor
Deacon: Elected religious leader who performs the duties of a Pastor in their absence and assists them in various matters when they are. Equivalent to a mayor.

LAW
Magistrate: Equivalent to a Sheriff, and leads two additional individuals. Enforces basic law until a Pastor is appointed.
Inquisitor: Equivalent to Captain of the Guard, charged with dealing with dissent in the order directly.

MILITARY
Levy Captain: Clerics and Initiates or above are required to lead Levy troops in the field.
Levy Officer: Serfs, Initiates, and others who are tasked with leading additional units of other serfs under the Levy Commander.

Citadel Captain: Knights tasked with leading initiates and less experienced knights or if necessary Order Serfs. Upgrades from Levy Commander once a Pastor or greater has been chosen to minster to the locals in the area. Must be a Knight, Templar, or Paladin.
Citadel Sergeant: Replaces Levy Officer. Must be an initiate or greater.

Templars: May be placed in their own squads alone or with up to two additional companions. These separate units can only be put into place by a Bishop, Cardinal, or Chapter Master. As they are some of the hardest 'common' warriors to come by they reserve the right to some modest lodging and a meager dining room. Primarily for theme. Can be grouped around their own dining areas.

Paladin: May be placed in their own squads alone or with up to two additional companions. These separate units can only be put into place by a Bishop, Cardinal, or Chapter Master.  As they are some of the hardest 'common' warriors  to come by they reserve the right to some modest lodging and a meager dining room. Primarily for theme. Can be grouped around thier own dining areas.

Justicar: Champion equivalent, with some minor lodging requirements

ADMIN
Survey Leader: Expedition Leader tasked with the initial survey and establishment of new citadels.
Master Logistician: Bookkeeper.
Assistant Logistician: Managers. Up to three can be assigned by the Master Logistician.
Head Physician: CMD equivalent.
Apprentice Physicians: 2 sets of extra hands to help with the wounded, assigned by the HP. Handy in case the HP is killed himself.

The general feel is a well intentioned order fo religious zealots seeking to protect the world by plopping down citadels and temples, using these as bases of operation to strike at EVILLLL! And if the evil is all dead, then to protect the people from wildlife and bandits so they can still feel useful after all that effort building their fortresses and worship spaces, which is where this all came from. Succubi and Warlocks would need to plan for these bastards first and any other race second.

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I skimmed pages four and 5 I admit but here's my thoughts on this and some of my own suggestions/stupid ideas. For simplicity's sake and since they tend to be the most dominant race in younger worlds anyway (at least in my experience,) this assumes the order is composed of humans primarily. Some of these ideas are taken partly from the good ol' sphess mahreens, and various nobles are inspired by Christian clergy rankings or pulled from elsewhere.

Reproduction: The militant order version isn't strictly one gender and doesn't discourage marriage but doesn't encourage it either. Population ratio is heavily skewed towards males (enforcing that the order prefers to recruit men but won't say no to women of sufficient valor or persistence) Invokes men as the expendable ones from a gameplay standpoint simply because for this "race" they're much more numerous and for the sake of preserving the "race" married folk need to be protected; however by the very nature of being in a militant order they are just as capable fighters as well (if they aren't order serfs anyway.)

Graphics: Simplification by using humans as the base solves this, even if it's kind of irritating.

Only order serfs and initiates can be converted to ghouls or corrupted beings for the succubi and warlocks. Clerics, Knights, and above are either immune (Angels, Living Saints) or commit suicide (Templars, Knights, Paladins, Clerics) during the corruption rituals/spells (The interactions kill them or have a case of No Sell)


INTERNAL THREATS

• Dark Covens will seek to corrupt lesser knights, clerics, and the many varieties of order serf in a similar fashion to the carp cult, aiming to turn them against the rest of the order or severely weaken it.
• Warlock Spies will attempt to sabotage the citadel from within, using their magic to conceal their true selves.
• More foolish werewolves may try to join the order to escape their past. Whether or not they are cured or killed is entirely up to the chapters who discover them in their ranks, but they are always a threat if allowed to live until cured.
• Succubi Infiltrators will try to pick apart the order by undermining the serfs, whispering foul lies and temptations to them resulting in these serfs trying to kill everyone around them out of jealousy, paranoia, or for false promises of reward (in contrast a Dark Coven will try to build a base among the serfs, initiates, and knights before striking; Succubi will simply try to kill as many as possible and as quickly as possible, without getting their own hands dirty in the process.)

CASTES
Most of what was suggested by others seems to fit nicely though I have my own take.

Spoiler: LABOR (click to show/hide)

 
All labor castes are alcohol dependant.

Order Serf: Common folk who've joined the order to assist it in building its temples, citadels, and chapterhouses in exchange for a chance to escape their past or in the hope of joining the order itself. Being commoners and not warriors they are easily depressed when things get rough, and most tend to try and drink away whatever metaphorical demons are eating them. Children born among the Order Serfs are screened by the order's Physicians and those deemed fit enough will eventually join the order proper as initiates, while the rest remain part of the order as Serfs like their parents, though they may one day make an effort to join themselves.

In times of need, the order may call on their humble serfs to take up arms alongside them, arming them with weapons easiest to use and obtain: Hatchets, spears, and crossbows.

• Make up majority of the race population alongside Initiates
• Learn most noncombat labors at normal rate
• Learn stoneworking, most metalworking labors save furnace operation, architecture, and all engineering skills save pump operation slower
• Learn axe, spear, and crossbow skills at a slightly faster rate (crossbows mainly just require some physical conditioning and axes/spears where among the most common tools/weapons in the old days)
• One of only two labor castes able to join the order knights proper.

=Specialists=

Order Smith: Some Serfs want to contribute more than just time at the plowshares or the odd bit of support fire with a crossbow while other seem born with a natural affinity for working metals and thus take up the role of a smith for the order. They are physically strong individuals from their work at the forge and are just as handy using their hammers to crack trespasser heads as they are using them to hammer metal.

• Above average strength
• Learns nonmetalworking and most combat skills slower.

Order Architect: Some serfs in their past life learned well the ways of brick and mortar, structural design, and the intricacy of the chisel, while others just seem to have been born with a knack for it. They are entrusted with planning and overseeing construction of the order's facilities in whatever region or island they come to, as well as crafting finer stone items like furniture. Their work demands great focus and attention to detail, lest that new Initiate barracks come crashing down on the hapless would-be knights and paladins.

• High Focus, Analytical Abilities, Intellect (may make them able to be more passable marksmen)
• Learns stoneworking and architecture much faster than regular serfs.

Order Engineer: Like the above, these folks were once members of the engineer's guild, apprentices thereof, or just plain talented in the field. They tend to the order's siege engines and maintain the traps used to delay invaders and ward of kidnappers. Due to the finicky nature of anything involving mechanisms and the fact that components are often quite heavy they are swift and strong, but their work with large machinery and weapons has left their actual combat skills lacking; they may know how to make a spring loaded trap to kill a ghoul or succubus, but standing and fighting them is a different matter entirely for them.

• Learn engineering skills much faster than other serfs
• Above average speed, intellect, and strength, but often lacking in other areas physically
• Learn most other skills considerably at a slower pace and combat skills are very hard for them to fully grasp, since they learned how to make a springy wooden arm or an industrial-sized crossbow do their fighting, not how to fight themselves.

Physicians: Tend to the wounded both Serf and Knight. Theirs is work of the spirit and of biology and as such they don't learn nonmedical labors besides herbalism and refuse to take part in hostilities. Viewed by many knights as weaklings with no stomach for spreading their god's word and destroying evil through action, they must also admit without these men (and sometimes women,) the order would slowly erode under all the evil's sheer weight of numbers.

• Do not learn combat or nonmedical labors save herbalism (to gather ingredients for medicines of course!)
• Physical traits geared towards their medicinal abilities

Preists/Preachers: Similar to Physicians, however they spend their time absorbed in prayer, public speaking/diplomacy, and writing rather than medicine. Responsible for handling adamantine, praying to the gods for material aid, and attracting new members. Some may opt to take to the battlefield however, abandoning these more peaceful pursuits to aid the knights and paladins in battle directly, taking a few months to meditate, learn the basics of warfare, and send word to their monastic orders that they have joined the Order Militant (requiring food, drink, a mace or hammer skill book, some ink, paper and 6 months time.)

• Recruit order serfs, initiates, and wandering knights for the order
• Handle writing, prayer, and tasks requiring the diplomacy and public speaking skills.
• Can become potent blunt weapon fighters
• One of only two labor castes able to join the order proper

Spoiler: COMBAT CASTES (click to show/hide)

All Order warriors learn noncombat skills either very (Initiates, Paladins, Clerics) slowly or not at all. Order serfs require 6 months to become initiates (indoctrination and education period requiring food, drink, and reusable "Order Introduction" Tome.) Initiates may become order serfs for a small fee (reimbursing the order for the food and drink rationed them during their initial education,) and a few months of (re)adjustment to life amongst the commons again.

Initiate: The bottom rung of the Order Militant. Physically greater specimens than the serfs (though not by a whole hell of alot) who tend to their logistics either due to training or by nature. Make up a rather high percentage of the population, being the combat equivalent to Order Serfs.

• Learn Noncombat skills very slowly.
• Learn combat skills at a slightly faster rate than normal

Knight: The first "real" warriors of the order. They have undergone rigorous  physical conditioning and arms training and taken an oath of honor to never refuse a challenge (likes fighting,) are physically superior to initiates in all manners, and have truly pledged themselves wholly to the order. They refuse to even consider taking on roles they deem fit only for the Order Serfs to do, being a little full of themselves thanks to their new standing. From here they can either become Templars or Paladins for a year's time and some resources.

• 6 month transformation time requiring a reusable "Book of Chivalry" tome, some food and drink, metal bars for training weights (Conditioning, training, and oath taking.)
• Learn no noncombat skills
• [LIKES_FIGHTING]
• Physically superior to initiates
• Learn combat skills much faster than initiates or serfs

Templars: Steadfast and uncompromising warriors who specialize in the use of swords and shields and lots of righteous fury. Evil creatures (from automatons and greenskins to demons and the undead) Sends them into a vicious frenzy as they strike at these dark foes with all their might. They feel no fear nor pain, and refuse to back down from a fight, lest the order's honor be stained and they look weak in the face of the very things they are sworn to destroy (missing limbs and broken ribs be damned!) Takes a full year of training, some food and drink, metal bars (for training weights,) and several tomes (Way of the Templar, Holy Scripture, and Sword and Shield skill books)

• Almost perfect physically
• Will not Learn noncombat skills
• More specialized than paladins, learning sword and shield skills faster than other combat skills (and only learn those other skills somewhat faster, being focused on using swords and shields.)
• Cannot learn marksman or bowman skills (after all how can they properly harness their wrath at a distance?)
• [PRONE_TO_RAGE]
• [NOFEAR]
• [NOPAIN]
• [LIKES_FIGHTING]

Paladins: More generalist fighters and often the face of the militant order. They are much more well adjusted in their oaths and while they still revile the likes of demons, the undead, and greenskins, they are not worked into a violent frenzy over it. Their abilities manifest as martial trances and learning skills at double the rate of a knight, though they aren't nearly as skilled as Templars are with their swords. Like Templars however they are able to handle pain and injury well. They have also come to respect the levy troops, lesser initiates, and Order Serfs without whom the order couldn't function and as such are willing to help in noncombat roles; they are still warriors first and anything else second however. Training time requires a year's time and several resources (many of the same for Templars, as well as Way of the Paladin in place of Way of the Templar, Holy Scripture, and a General Manual of Arms tome)

• Almost perfect physically
• Very, very slowly learn noncombat and nonmedical labors
• Learn all combat skills faster than any other regular order unit save for sword and shield (this is where Templars reign supreme.)
• [NOFEAR]
• [NOPAIN]
• [LIKES_FIGHTING]
• [TRANCES]

Cleric: Priests and monks who've chosen to abandon oaths of nonviolence so that they may help dispatch evil in a more direct fashion. They primarily fight with hammers and maces, learning these weapon skills far more quickly than even Paladins, and possess the ability to free the souls of the undead from their shambling shells and purging corruption from the decrepit likes of ghouls and zombies.

• Mace and hammer users
• Able to lay undead to rest, specifically those used by Warlocks (kill skeletons instantly, chance to kill/paralyze ghouls and general zombies. Obviously this ability requires a cooldown time of a few days at the least)
• Aside from their skills as priests and such prior to taking to the field, any noncombat skills are learned painfully slowly

Living Saint: Templars and Paladins who have done something truly great are blessed by the unnamed god directly either when they take notice or they eschew all else and are forced into his gaze by the rest of the order as a great hero. Physically perfect with very high mental stats and very altruistic personalities, as well as potent abilities against the undead (chance to destroy or paralyze skeletons, ghouls, and general undead.) They can also uncover those under the sway of a dark coven that has infiltrated the citadel without alerting them.

• Perfect physical specimens
• Learn no noncombat skills (though their agility and helpfulness make them excellent for rescuing wounded fighters, those this is a gross waste of their abilities)
• Can destroy corrupted beings (corrupted entities in Succubus covens/tribes/whatever you wanna call them,) and can cripple abilities of other dark beings (debuffs to succubi and warlocks, sapping their strength and endurance)
• Can only be created from natural births, Paladins, or Templars at great cost, though they may be well worth it.
• Requires a two-year long period of meditation and prayer, holy scripture, food, drink, and various items as tribute (a weapon, platinum statue, and several cut gems.)
• Cannot learn noncombat skills
• [NOEAT]
• [NODRINK]
• [TRANCES]
• No MAXAGE
• Naturally high combat skills and learns them faster than Paladins
• Able to spot covens in the serf's ranks without rousing their suspicion.

Angel: Unlike various gods of war and death and what have you, these angels are born of blessed individuals or are sent to the order to lead it. They are much larger than those they lead (about the size of an Uruk,) and are able to fly, as well as flush out dark covens (though you should be prepared for a fight if this happens,) lay various undead to rest, and once per week outright kill demonic creatures/servants be they fiends, succubi, blood beasts or what have you.

• Extremely rare; cannot be made by the player, only through natural birth
• Perfect physical specimens
• Much larger than a human
• [FLIER]
• [NOEAT]
• [NODRINK]
• [TRANCES]
• No MAXAGE
• Counters Dark Covens openly (be ready for a fight!)
• Can destroy demonic and dark magic entities (primarily succubi and warlock-related beings)
• Naturally high combat skills and learns them faster than Paladins

WORKSHOP IDEAS

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I just wanna say I like the temple and shrine upgrade things in the above post. Again, my own thoughts are on an "Order Militant" of some nondescript "good" deity rather than a separate race or alliance.

Holy Forge: While basic equipment can be made or bartered for, master smiths are entrusted with making potent arms and armor for the order. Like the orcish damascene forge, they make use of powered ores for the task, making sets of equipment for Paladins and Templars which are taken to a religious building for various effects.
-Shrine: Weapons gain additional pain effect against evil creatures; armors taken on a blessed material status, making it more effective than other armors of its material
-Temple: Weapons can inflict a painful and extreme blistering effect on evil creatures; armor produces an aura that lowers agility in evil creatures.
-Reliquary: Weapons gain a small chance to kill evil (non-orc/goblin) instantly; armor becomes more effective and allows the wearer to give evil creatures an excessivly painful jolt of lightning on physical contact (potentially knocking them out instantly if they feel pain.)

Each blessing is mutually exclusive.

Citadel Muster Field: Gathers equipment and troops to attack the evil being that plague the land.
Low Risk
Disperse Skulking Vermin: Least Expensive, requiring only food supplies as the levy brings its own equipment. A peasant levy is raised and sent to drive away a group of kobolds. Chance for bags of loot or a single rare item, taken from the tribe's hoard. Worst case scenario is the tribe has already escaped (no returns for the food investment, 50/50 chance of sucess.)
Clear Raid Camp: Slightly more expensive, requiring an Knights Errant Supplies tool (which requires various weapons and food supplies) A group of Knights Errant are called on to remove a goblin raiding camp in the area. Results in some rusty iron items (proof of the Knights' Victory) and perhaps some written document to improve success of recruiting new members. Small chance of provoking goblin counter attack.

Moderate Risk
Attack Raider Landing: Considerably greater chance of failure, several Errant supply kits are needed to outfit multiple groups of knights sent to destroy a Freelancer landing. Potentially yields numerous valuable trade items and document that can be used to entice more recruits to come to the citadel. 25% chances of provoking orc counter attack, 50% chance of failure (the Knights don't return, presumably having been killed to the last by the orcs.)

Purge Automaton Factory: Exactly what it says on the tin. Similar requirements and outcome chances to Raider Landing attack, yielding 1-3 boxes of engineering supplies and a destroyed automaton trophy if successful.

High Risk: Assaults on various evil factions. Will provoke counterattack and very high chance of failure.

Taiga Clanhold: A force of Elite Knights are sent to destroy a taiga clanhold. Success yields random society arms kits and an orcish standard of honor as a trophy that can be used to recruit an errant knight or displayed in the citadel.
Dark Fortress: An attack on a dark goblin fortress. Success yields various trade goods and a goblin war flag that can be used to entice an errant knight to join the citadel or put on display in the citadel.
Automaton Foundry: Success will yield 1-3 crates of firearms, ammunition, and a Destroyed Prototype trophy.
Frost Giant Stronghold: Success will yield a crate of bifrost bars and a Jotun's Bane scroll which can be used to bless a weapon to make it more effective against frost giants.
Succubus Dungeon: Success may yield a rescued prisoner (various order serfs or an initiate,) small quantities of stygian bronze or basiliskine, and a severed succubus head that can be used to recruit a Templar or Paladin or displayed in the citadel.
Warlock Tower: Success may yield a rescued prisoner (serfs or initiate,) Tower banner that can be used to recruit a Templar or Paladin. and a Magebane scroll that may be used to enchant a piece of armor that renders the wearer immune to many warlock spells.
Drow Stronghold: Success may yield a rescued prisoner, as well as a Matriarch's Banner and a crate of cavern goods (either silk, cavern wood, or a captured animal)

Prisoner rescue chances are extremely low (around 1-2%,) and both the Jotun's bane and Magebane scrolls are single use items, meaning it will take multiple assaults to arm a unit of giant slayers with enchanted weapons or immunize more than one knight against warlock spells.

Recruitment Station: Take a guess. All recruitment efforts except ones requiring special reagents have a chance of not working.
Attempt to inspire peasantry to enlist: A preacher tries to entice  the peasantry to join the order as serfs. Free, but very low success rate.
Offer pay for enlistment (general): 500 silver coins are given to the preacher to try and bring in recruits. About a 50/50 success rate, yielding a regular Order Serf.
Offer pay for enlistment (specialist): 500 gold coins are given to the preacher and given out to various specialist workers in a bid to buy their service to the order. 50/50 chance of getting a specialist serf depending on reaction chosen.
Entice Knights/Paladins/Templars to join: Using certain trophies, the preacher uses these items as proof that the order is a place for glory to be had, netting the order a new knight, paladin, or templar depending on the reaction chosen.

NOBLES

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

UPPER/SOCIAL: Primary leaders both military and religious. Baron/Count/Duke level nobles are appointed to tend to the needs of the order serfs and indicate importance of a location to the order/church. Being religious in nature, they have fewer mandates save pastors and deacons who maintain the one permitted mandate.

Chapter Master: Leader of the order on/in the island/region. Equivalent to other race leaders, and a position that may only be held by a Living Saint or Angel.
Field Marshal: Equivalent to other races' generals, and must be held by a Knight or above.
Veteran Captains and Lieutenants fill the same roles as the generic ones in other races, being appointed by the Field Marshal.

Cardinal: Duke level noble
Bishop: Count level noble
Pastor: Baron Level noble; upgrades Levy Commander to Knight Captain and Magistrate to Inquisitor
Deacon: Elected religious leader who performs the duties of a Pastor in their absence and assists them in various matters when they are. Equivalent to a mayor.

LAW
Magistrate: Equivalent to a Sheriff, and leads two additional individuals. Enforces basic law until a Pastor is appointed.
Inquisitor: Equivalent to Captain of the Guard, charged with dealing with dissent in the order directly.

MILITARY
Levy Captain: Clerics and Initiates or above are required to lead Levy troops in the field.
Levy Officer: Serfs, Initiates, and others who are tasked with leading additional units of other serfs under the Levy Commander.

Citadel Captain: Knights tasked with leading initiates and less experienced knights or if necessary Order Serfs. Upgrades from Levy Commander once a Pastor or greater has been chosen to minster to the locals in the area. Must be a Knight, Templar, or Paladin.
Citadel Sergeant: Replaces Levy Officer. Must be an initiate or greater.

Templars: May be placed in their own squads alone or with up to two additional companions. These separate units can only be put into place by a Bishop, Cardinal, or Chapter Master. As they are some of the hardest 'common' warriors to come by they reserve the right to some modest lodging and a meager dining room. Primarily for theme. Can be grouped around their own dining areas.

Paladin: May be placed in their own squads alone or with up to two additional companions. These separate units can only be put into place by a Bishop, Cardinal, or Chapter Master.  As they are some of the hardest 'common' warriors  to come by they reserve the right to some modest lodging and a meager dining room. Primarily for theme. Can be grouped around thier own dining areas.

Justicar: Champion equivalent, with some minor lodging requirements

ADMIN
Survey Leader: Expedition Leader tasked with the initial survey and establishment of new citadels.
Master Logistician: Bookkeeper.
Assistant Logistician: Managers. Up to three can be assigned by the Master Logistician.
Head Physician: CMD equivalent.
Apprentice Physicians: 2 sets of extra hands to help with the wounded, assigned by the HP. Handy in case the HP is killed himself.

The general feel is a well intentioned order fo religious zealots seeking to protect the world by plopping down citadels and temples, using these as bases of operation to strike at EVILLLL! And if the evil is all dead, then to protect the people from wildlife and bandits so they can still feel useful after all that effort building their fortresses and worship spaces, which is where this all came from. Succubi and Warlocks would need to plan for these bastards first and any other race second.

[taldarus]

 

[smakemupagus]

I don't see how the proposed knight-becomes-token version adds much strategy to the raid process, as the odds of success are still independent of the guy's skills, attributes, gear, etc.  Although, I look forward to seeing your implementation, maybe you will pull it off   So far I am of the opinion that we need to wait for Toady to develop this part much further.

Run a reaction that always 'kills' the worker. Always creates a token that represents soldier strength deployed in the field (active duty - working title). This can be refunded at the same place. Course, you will loose any skills.

Don't trick yourself by using 'quotes' .... unless I'm misunderstanding what you have in mind, it literally kills the worker, with all the gameplay attributes that entails.  (Burial, grieving family, gear goes back to the armory for a new recruit to use, new name, perfect health, new skills, new attributes, different personality, different job, new positions, confused pets, etc., new legends and life history)  Perhaps this works out fine for the Templar but, in the form i can picture so far, not for the orcs.

I've heard that the counterattack raids (the FORCE scripts) might not work in DFHack in the new DF2014 version but I don't understand the details.  So far I admit I've just been hoping that someone figures it out, I'm not active in DFHack development at all.

[dwarf_reform]

I am also a shameless thread-skimmer, but, unless its already been suggested, some "good rain" types to balance out the evil rains would be welcome (in vanilla DF too, but I already tossed that into vanilla suggestions in case it wasn't there already..)

[slay_mithos]

I've heard that the counterattack raids (the FORCE scripts) might not work in DFHack in the new DF2014 version but I don't understand the details.  So far I admit I've just been hoping that someone figures it out, I'm not active in DFHack development at all.

Well, it's a piece of script that is not updated.
And I could not find the hook/function needed to make it work in the latest dev version of DFHack.

Granted, I am not at the top of DFHack either, and it is possible that I missed this "df.global.timed_events" table, used to spawn all kind of events, including the raids/sieges.

[taldarus]

Just doing a little organizing: Thanks for the additional posts, great food for thought guys!

I am looking at what to add or cut from the project. Personally, I don't want to see any industry at all in this game, but I think this will annoy many people. As I can just ignore whatever I do not want, I need to know what do people envision this faction using for workshops? I don't mean custom ones, but ones from the original and masterwork files. I don't see them building looms or milking cows...but I don't also see them forging steel. I can see how others would want the steel, but not the cows. Anyway, list off what you do or don't like.

EDIT:
Custom Workshop List
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:BLESSED_SHRINE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:BLESSED_TEMPLE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:BLESSED_RELIQUARY]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:HOLY_SHRINE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:HOLY_TEMPLE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:HOLY_RELIQUARY]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:SACRED_SHRINE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:SACRED_TEMPLE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:SACRED_RELIQUARY]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:QUESTING_SITE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:HEADQUARTERS]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:FACTION_DIPLOMAT]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:FACTION_CONSULATE]
[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:FACTION_EMBASSY]

Are the names satisfactory?

[slay_mithos]

It sounds ok, but shouldn't you use the upgrade building scripts, like how human buildings work?

[Insanegame27]

I WOULD be onboard for this, but i've got my on civ to develop

[taldarus]

  NP Insane

Slay - Need more details (goes to file to study) DFhack thing?

EDIT: Just a quick look seems to show human files have a similar organization...

EDIT 2: On the deploy troops thing: I believe reactions can only kill one member. On a raid, multiple soldiers would probably die, IRL. It would be a good raid where no one is hurt. Using my theory would allow the game to better model the risk/gains of combat (off-site of course). DFHack hopefully could be used to restore the information.

My backup plan is this. Deploy 'troops' each has a caste specific unit available, IE:
Deploy Knight - Consumes a knight class unit. He is then counted by a placeholder (Ie a registery that indicates he is a part of the fort, but not on site)

Restore Knight - Rebuilds the knight. technically a 'new' character with my limited knowledge. However, I think it should be easy to ensure that he has increased combat skills.

Worst Case - parallel veteran versions of castes
Veteran Knight - +2 to each combat stat, or perhaps a discount to upgrade to next tier.

[Splint]

WARNING: Likely to be very rambly and hard to understand

The laborer castes are how I figured the issue of the irreligious aspects can be tackled. Someone has to support them and nobody gives things away for free in DF except as offerings to try and smooth over difficulties or bait a monarch. Of course this still assumes "Militant Order" for the theme.

As to thier basic currency for certain things, the idea of pilgrimages to obtain or having priests sanctifying various items so they can be used for other tasks (like imbuing weapons or armor with holy powers or in various buffing prayers, drawing energy from the holy items retrieved by preachers and pilgrims) was a pretty good one.

Add in perhaps Holy Seals and Scriptures for certain advanced reactions or upgrades (Fixing specific seals to Templar armor to make them immune to stunning or immune to  drowning for example, or using Scriptures in upgrading knights to Templars, Paladins, and Living Saints.) To build on this, seals can be used in place of fewer Holy Items for upgrading weapons, but take slightly longer to get since the seals need paper.

For example, using a large Monastery and Pilgrimage Starting Point Workshops for the tasks
Pilgrim returns with three Holy Items (amulets for the example)
Preacher returns with two Sacred Icons.
Found a werewolf in your ranks? You can use the Icon or three amulets to cure them.
Need lookouts? Take a few Seals of Flame and a Sacred Icon to make a Sanctified Ward, making a hard to destroy look-out that can't be destroyed with fire.
Pasture the Ward on the monastery and use a Scripture, some amulets, and Seal of Holy Light to give the Ward a ranged attack (solidified fire maybe?)
Repeat using a second icon and two Seals of Cleansing Fire, and it gains an AOE flame burst attack to kill enemies who get too close.

For upgrading any armors or weapons, you need Holy Amulets to provide the divine energy for the blessing, and upgrading serfs into initiates and initiates to knights.
For upgrading knights to templars or infusing equipment with Jotun and Magebane abilities you need a Sacred Icon.

Holy Items are single use, akin to souls when used by Warlocks, thus making sending Order Serfs to other holy places extremely important so they'll bring these items back. Seals need to be made by Priests resulting in 'blank seals' and a specific blessing added at a shrine, using an amulet and blank seal. Three amulets can be made into three seals that can buff three weapons or armors or all three amulets can be used upgrading only one weapon or piece of armor, or Icons can be used in place of multiple amulets.