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Author Topic: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014  (Read 32970 times)

LordSlowpoke

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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2014, 01:51:13 am »

it better not approach 120%

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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2014, 01:55:03 am »

As an English Brit, I'm kind of hoping the vote is No. I believe the chances of this working out better than the current situation for Scotland are minimal as far as I can foresee, and I can pretty much guarantee it'll end up worse on the UK.

Plus I quite like Scotland :/
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2014, 02:28:06 am »

As a... irrelevantly Finnish poster, I hope for the best, which is, of course, a new member of the Glorious People's Nordic Union. I've been thinking of university in Scotland (mainly for the... free-ness), so I quite wonder if I'd be going to just Scotland instead of British Scotland in a year.
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2014, 02:58:07 am »

As a Swede with relatives in Barcelona, I hope the outcome is Yes so that'll booster their independence movement and give them the sovereignity they want.

As a person, I hope the result is whatever will turn out to be the best for Scotland in the end. And if you vote Yes, I welcome you to our little league of peripheral nordic countries ;)


If Scotland secedes, then I hope they get into the EU, otherwise they're going to have to set up a border with expensive checkpoints and security. And unfortunately, Spain will probably be dead-set against an independent Scotland in the EU because they're trying to prevent the Basque from seceding.

Catalan. It's mainly the Catalan they want to stop from seceding, as they are the ones with the best prospects of doing so right now.


As a... irrelevantly Finnish poster, I hope for the best, which is, of course, a new member of the Glorious People's Nordic Union. I've been thinking of university in Scotland (mainly for the... free-ness), so I quite wonder if I'd be going to just Scotland instead of British Scotland in a year.

But we have free university! Dammit, Finland, why are we never good enough for you! Why do you hurt us so!
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2014, 04:31:09 am »

I almost hope for a yes vote so stuff can fall into a heap.

Or maybe it'll work out fine.
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2014, 04:37:47 am »

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Yeah, I also hope they vote yes, since it might mean a new member to the Glorious Nordic Union. :P
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 05:20:53 am »

As someone who believes that, for humanity to progress it's level of civilization, we need to abolish all nations and start thinking 'fellow earthlings', I hope it fails. We don't need more nations / nationalism, we need less.

I've got my elves and gnomes working at full capacity producing rainbows and fairy dust to help bring this about.

In other news raw raw fuck da empire
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 05:37:13 am »

cfoofoo keep to your own damn canon you're not allowed fairies
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 05:57:30 am »

Less than 24 hours until the polls open. :)

I'm voting Yes also.
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2014, 06:12:46 am »

I don't understand why we had to fight a bloody, drawn out war over this, and yet Scotland gets to just take a vote and go have a lemonade...? Isn't it generally not OK to just go and secede?
So Scotland has to go to war and suffer lots of losses at both sides, souring relationships and building gridges before they "deserve" to secede?
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2014, 06:29:31 am »

I don't understand why we had to fight a bloody, drawn out war over this, and yet Scotland gets to just take a vote and go have a lemonade...? Isn't it generally not OK to just go and secede?

Different circumstances. When the King of Scotland inherited the throne of England, he moved South and ruled both Kingdoms from there until the Acts of Union were passed by both Parliaments of England and Scotland which then united to become the Parliament of Great Britain. It was a voluntary union of both countries.

The Revolutionary War was a rebellion of British subjects over tax and lack of political representation. Kinda apples and oranges.
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2014, 07:28:45 am »

So? That's the wonderful thing about referenda. You made a choice, it turned out badly. Suck it up and start working long-term if you want to get the economy back into gear.

(NB: I think self-determination is as good a right as any other. That does not mean independence should have to come without economic consequences. The South-East has been paying a lot of Scotland's bills for the past decades, and independence means letting go of that.)
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2014, 08:20:44 am »

This debate is downright scary.  Because everyone underestimated the independence crowd the technocrats never bothered to chime in with advice about what they saw as unlikely independence.  Now we've got a situation where the independence crowd is saying things that are horribly, horribly misguided like it would be a good idea for Scotland to stay on the pound.  They should know better on the eve of the vote.  I just can't find the words to explain how scary it is to think that people might be running a country when they can't get the easy but super important parts right.

This is what representative democracy is for.
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2014, 08:26:56 am »

How come there is a Canada butterfly in the yes poster on the OP? They aren't Europe, or is that meant to represent the diaspora?

If it's the diaspora, surprised the US isn't on there, plenty of Scottish people and descendants here.
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Re: Scotland Decides, 18th September, 2014
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2014, 08:40:06 am »

How come there is a Canada butterfly in the yes poster on the OP? They aren't Europe, or is that meant to represent the diaspora?

If it's the diaspora, surprised the US isn't on there, plenty of Scottish people and descendants here.
Perhaps it's intended to represent the Scottish butterfly breaking away from the pack? After all, the spoiler text does translate as "Ta ta for now."
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