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[Insanegame27]

You may be doing the rewrite, but I'M doing the reproduction... Wait, what?

[heydude6]

are you sure you read that correctly?

[than402]

ok

so i will just update the manual and balance the slings

EDIT: new update! i balanced the slings and the war animals... somewhat, more testing may be necessary. but at least they're not horribly overpowered/ overcosted anymore.

[Insanegame27]

OK, I finally got a wasp queen in worldgen. And the migrants. OH THE MIGRANTS! HALLELUJAH!
No, wait, dragon attacked, time for a new world...

[than402]

dragons are even more badass in masterwork than in vanilla.do you believe that now the wasps can consistently have migrant waves, or should we change more positions?

[Insanegame27]

I dont know, But the bullets are still crap. Have you tried modifying the velocity thing?

[than402]

slings (wasps make special ones) now shoot with five times the force and eight times the velocity.they shouldn't suck too much, but for now don't expect them to tear organs. in the arena, however, i watched some kills and many broken bones.

EDIT:furter testing reveals that the slings are:

a)crap against exoskeletons
b)somewhat dependent on the material of the bullet. aluminum bullets do crap, steel ones tear muscles and break bones. when you ran the tests, what materials and targets did you use?

[Insanegame27]

With wooden bullets? wooden bullets (not talking about feather, which sucks more) are total garbage compared to wooden arrows
EDIT:
Wooden bullets suck vs asps, but easily kill cranes

[than402]

wooden bullets would be garbage IRL, what do you mean?

[than402]

i uploaded a new file.i doubled the values again, and ran some tests. they should be better now, just don't expect to kill fully armored giants with slings, that stays on the old testament for now

tell me,however, how exactly did you ran the tests in the arena? who did you pitted against what? what armor did the target wear(bullets have trouble with armor) ,and what material did you use?

[slay_mithos]

Just as an FYI, wooden and rock bullets are crap for all the races, it's barely able to hurt small animals.

[than402]

trouble is, i don't know what tests insane run, but in the ones i ran even metal ones were only capable of bruising muscles.

[Insanegame27]

fortress mode against an asp. I got ONE fractured bone from 50 bullets
MAYBE
Revert the values to their original and have a reaction that grants free rock bullets, like in IRL slings using stones

[smakemupagus]

How similar in stats are your slings and bullets to pistols or muskets that other races use?  That should at least be a functioning baseline to work from.

[Insanegame27]

OK, Bullets DO NOT SUCK once the slingers are trained up a bit. The very first target was an asp and all i could do is bruise the skin. Now, my 10 elite slingers have no problem taking down jaguars