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Author Topic: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp Alpha related. ALPHA FINISHED. Go to Beta page  (Read 97828 times)

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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #150 on: September 25, 2014, 06:27:54 am »

vermin killing or not,a hornet swarm would be a very nice addition anyway. and danmanthedog mentioned something about giant war caterpillars... and we still need regular butcherable animals, don't we?

i included the reactions to make the materials of the torture chamber in the entity file, which i will update soon, but do you guys know how i can make a unit disappear? i don't care whether the unit is considered dead or not, i just want it not to leave a body behind.
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #151 on: September 25, 2014, 07:46:36 am »

wouldnt a hornet swarm technically be a vermin itself?
I wonder what happens when you give a vermin the [VERMIN_HUNTING] tag

Would be pretty cool though.

Also, a side effect on MDF dwarf fortress playing as dwarves, you can seem to buy the hornet wasps from the elves.
Arent elves meant to be civilised and not in affiliation with slavers?
What are those treehuggers up to now?
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #152 on: September 25, 2014, 08:21:46 am »

wouldnt a hornet swarm technically be a vermin itself?
I wonder what happens when you give a vermin the [VERMIN_HUNTING] tag

Would be pretty cool though.

Also, a side effect on MDF dwarf fortress playing as dwarves, you can seem to buy the hornet wasps from the elves.
Arent elves meant to be civilised and not in affiliation with slavers?
What are those treehuggers up to now?

it won't be considered a vermin.i wonder what body parts it would have, however...
i believe giving the VERMIN_HUNTER to a vermin would do nothing, since vermins aren't pets

that was because they had the PET_EXOTIC tags. the queen and the drones also have it so they can breed without marriage(since fertile members of the hive are rare enough as it is). they don't have a PETVALUE so you won't see elves bringing queens and drones as pets, but do tell if they do
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #153 on: September 25, 2014, 08:23:41 am »

Yeah, go ahead with the hornet swarm.

You need to update the general info weapons and pets, as these are currently missing some stuff

Also, I feel that the elves should worship them because of the whole nature thing

The giant war caterpillar should be able to lay eggs
« Last Edit: September 25, 2014, 08:35:46 am by Insanegame27 »
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #154 on: September 25, 2014, 08:39:39 am »

Yeah, go ahead with the hornet swarm.

You need to update the general info weapons and pets, as these are currently missing some stuff

Also, I feel that the elves should worship them because of the whole nature thing

The giant war caterpillar should be able to lay eggs

i may need some time with the swarm, i have no idea how to mod its body parts. i updated the weapons entry, but it's just general info. in the pet section saying that they have poisonous bugs of all kinds and slaves is enough. if someone wants to see what each one does, there is a whole page dedicated to that.

EDIT:right,so i found what to do with it. i will make it a hive that has to be pastured in locations where you want the painful stings to mater, such as the entrance. it will not breed (obviously), but you will be able to spawn new ones through a reaction using paper cement(oh, paper cement, is there nothing you can't do?) and food. they won't do much damage, but they're dirt cheap.

their only form of attack will be an interaction which causes a syndrome (the swarm attacking), whose symptoms are mild swelling and pain. the hive will be fragile, but when one breaks the swarm goes nuts and attacks one last time, causing somewhat larger damage than before.

the building housing the reaction will be called "bug hive"
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« Reply #155 on: September 25, 2014, 02:47:09 pm »

well fine then, what sedatives do is that they are a type of food that a queen will eventually eat, after a specific delay the queen will become unconscious. The secret here is to time the time when the sedatives activate to when the queen will start attacking enemies, so that after she gets off a couple of attacks she will fall unconcious, the secret now is preventing the enemy from killing her in this new state.
Any comments on that?
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #156 on: September 25, 2014, 04:04:34 pm »

wouldn't it be simpler to mod a reaction to create a queen and just make the reaction expensive?or just go with the larvae,i was getting tired of spiders and bees anyway,it would be a nice change.
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« Reply #157 on: September 25, 2014, 05:45:11 pm »

I guess we will go with the larvae for now then.
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #158 on: September 25, 2014, 08:02:21 pm »

Maybe have her lay eggs? Then again, that usually plays hell with food/drink and she might die before the eggs hatch. Might lead to

This is a masterful quality queen egg omelette. It consists of masterfully minced Queen egg, superiorly minced Queen egg, finely minced Queen egg and minced Queen egg

Maybe have this instead of straight up eggs

Queen Hivemind wasp has given birth to Eggs
Which then
Larva has grown into Maggot
Which then
Maggot has grown into a Hivemind Wasp [caste]
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #159 on: September 25, 2014, 08:08:18 pm »

Is there a way to make a land mine the causes the invaders to be come trapped/caged so you can transform them?
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #160 on: September 25, 2014, 08:10:46 pm »

Is there a way to make a land mine the causes the invaders to be come trapped/caged so you can transform them?
Might be a similar thing to the goblin net-shooters, I like the idea.
or maybe one that send spikes that have wasp paralyzing poison + injects with egg.

I just thought of a way to have infection. Instead of a paralysis syndrome, the infected minster turns into a "caged animal"with the cage made of "paralysis"
Then the animal transforms into a wasp after a year
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Re: ☼Hive☼ Everything Hivewasp related
« Reply #161 on: September 25, 2014, 08:57:34 pm »


Maybe have this instead of straight up eggs

Queen Hivemind wasp has given birth to Eggs
Which then
Larva has grown into Maggot
Which then
Maggot has grown into a Hivemind Wasp [caste]

I thought we were making them only capable of reproducing by parasitism. I thought it would be the larvae that have the transformation syndrome. Give it the dies on bite tag, make it leave no corpse and make the message "larvae crawled inside the enemy". The larvae then matures(enemy transforms) and voila you have an adult wasp.
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« Reply #162 on: September 25, 2014, 09:05:25 pm »

I was just rattling off ideas
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« Reply #163 on: September 25, 2014, 09:09:24 pm »


I just thought of a way to have infection. Instead of a paralysis syndrome, the infected minster turns into a "caged animal"with the cage made of "paralysis"

I don't know wether or not that will work, but the main thing I'm worried about is balance. It seems rather OP that the wasp can just sting whatever non syndrome immune enemy they want and they could just get a free caged prisoner which means a free wasp. Especially since some forgotten beasts are not syndrome immune.

Another possibility could be to nerf stingers so they can't penetrate certain levels of armour forcing you to fight armoured enemies the old fashioned way or with cage traps

New thing to test in the arena. Test the effectiveness of stingers against armoured targets with the various levels of the kicking skill (it's the stinging skill as well). Report how often it penetrates and injects the venom.

EDIT: Don't be embarrassed it's fine to rattle off ideas
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« Reply #164 on: September 25, 2014, 09:22:01 pm »

shouldnt the stinger use the striking or (what skill does biting use? wrestler?)
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