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Insanegame27

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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2014, 04:17:27 pm »

note to meph. some ologs can wield wolfram polehammers one-handed. Please replace the morningstars with these beasts of mass destruction.
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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2014, 10:47:20 pm »

Hmm ... The magestaff isn't working in arena even with "itemsyndrome force", which i'm not even sure is a thing any more ;)  but it leads me to the question of whether itemsyndrome works in Orc fort mode in the current version -- anyone know for sure? ... arena battles may temporarily be on pause while i test fort.

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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2014, 01:47:33 am »

Itemsyndrome had that curious sideeffect when SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ID:ALL didnt work, but SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:ID:CASTE_ID works. In short, you cant do ORC_TAIGA:ALL, but you need to declare every single caste, ORC_TAIGA:URUK_MALE, URUK_FEMALE, etc.

At least that fixed it for Warlocks.
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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2014, 01:51:32 am »

Hmm, thanks, but maybe that's not it... the item syndromes are either already called out by caste (the dreamwalkers' gear) or not creature restricted at all (flamethrowers, masks, etc.)

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« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2014, 01:56:07 am »

Then I cant help. The last time I tested it (and since then neither itemsyndrome nor dfhack have changed) it worked.
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« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2014, 02:16:20 am »

Hmm.  I haven't touched any of it since long ago so i don't even know where to begin   :-\
Hopefully its just an arena issue.

edit:  Well, it works at least intermittently; I have in fact successfully cast Lightning Storm and other itemsyndrome spells in the arena. the  name "wraithblade" is being overloaded (there is now an orc and a warlock version of that item, and that itemsyndrome, both currently with the same name) but i think that my testing indicates that wasn't actually the problem.  it is a little confusing.
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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2014, 01:48:40 am »

When my mod is done ima do a dwarves vs hive battleseries in community games & stories
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« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2014, 09:58:33 pm »

has anyone done anything else on this matter
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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2014, 05:04:58 am »

Unfortunately i had a crash tonight during the "midgame" (bloodsteel/ashglass vs. mithril) round so i don't have a final result.

Ye gods, was it brutal.  Mithril cuts bloodsteel pretty well, and dwarven-style superior edged weapons are likely to pentrate armor.  The orcish ashglass/ebony arsenal can pierce through mithril too, often enough, but the large contact area "raking" attacks on the jagged weapons are often deflected and are a liability here.  The best weapon loadouts from the early round (silver warhammers / orcish daikatana) are still OK, but they are nothing special here.

Ebony bodkins make the snaga a real force to reckon with, besides the Olog and the 2 dwarves with Legendary gear they are the squad with the best loadout for the task at hand in this round.

I think it seemed to be the blunt weapons (including crushing strikes from ebony axes) on both sides doing the most damage, but nevertheless there were enough piercing wounds, flying severed limbs, etc to confuse the issue.  Fire magic clearly was a factor at least at the beginning as about ~1 orc in each arena was on fire very soon.  There were quite a fair number of stunned (blue "X") dwarves but it is hard to tell whether from storm magic or bloodloss.

In fact there was too much blood, smoke and steam to see the field and get any clear estimate of winners or losers when the program hang happened.
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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2014, 05:08:13 am »

Oh sweet armok dine upon this feast we have provided to you through our enemies blood, sweat and tears.
Is it just me or does no-one actually worship armok ingame (relationships screen listed as deity)
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The military cannot function without ICBMs, therefore the right of the people to keep and bear ICBMs, shall not be infringed.

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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2014, 06:11:01 am »

Oh sweet armok dine upon this feast we have provided to you through our enemies blood, sweat and tears.
Is it just me or does no-one actually worship armok ingame (relationships screen listed as deity)

Armok is technically a meta entity, the one who regularly reforges worlds when he find them boring; surrogate name for players really. I personally frown on direct references to Armok most of the time though, even in this mod, since literally nobody worships armok in-game.

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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2014, 08:00:16 am »

Oh sweet armok dine upon this feast we have provided to you through our enemies blood, sweat and tears.
Is it just me or does no-one actually worship armok ingame (relationships screen listed as deity)

Armok is technically a meta entity, the one who regularly reforges worlds when he find them boring; surrogate name for players really. I personally frown on direct references to Armok most of the time though, even in this mod, since literally nobody worships armok in-game.
Did Toady state this somewhere, is it just generally accepted forum lore?
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Re: Masterwork Arena Battles!
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2014, 08:04:32 am »

Oh sweet armok dine upon this feast we have provided to you through our enemies blood, sweat and tears.
Is it just me or does no-one actually worship armok ingame (relationships screen listed as deity)

Armok is technically a meta entity, the one who regularly reforges worlds when he find them boring; surrogate name for players really. I personally frown on direct references to Armok most of the time though, even in this mod, since literally nobody worships armok in-game.
Did Toady state this somewhere, is it just generally accepted forum lore?

Something close to it if I remember right, but I have no clue where I read it. Something like only the gods worship Armok or something like that, meaning that the various playable races shouldn't have any knowledge of him.

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« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2014, 01:00:54 pm »

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« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2014, 01:26:36 am »

Round 4 results!  This is the mid-game Bloodsteel/Ashglass vs. Mithril level, plus some Fire & Icestorm displays from the mages.

See the squad loadouts here:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=143721.msg5667132#msg5667132

( 1) 8 dwarves survive
( 2) 11 dwarves
( 3) 8 dwarves
( 4) 12 dwarves
( 5) 8 dwarves
( 6) 10 9 dwarves (one froze to death in aftermath)
( 7) 12 orcs
(8 ) 9 dwarves

Dwarves win 7-1!  As noted above the Dwarven systematic edge from mithril metallurgy and Weaponry enhancements are just too much to deal with.  The Frostskald and Fire Mage both booked their share of kills but the Fire damage is more up-front while the frost storms are a cumulative effect, and this battle was brutal and short, so I think the Mage had more of an effect.  The billowing clouds of fire, smoke and freezing gale magic were definitely a bad, bad place for the grunts from either side, though.

However, as noted again, this battle was intense.  The dwarven survivors are *not* in good shape compared to any survivors in the last rounds. At least a few either bled- or frostbit-out while i was typing this up.

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