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[Vector]

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[Tiruin]

Have you delved into psychology, philosophy or at least sociology?

Missed this query too, silly.

And...those examples you've got--they are worldwide or only local?

[Antsan]

and they didn't do anything.

In the first world we've got running water. Medical sciences are advancing steadily. Life expectancy is going up. People are able to experiment with how to live (at least where I live) and they seem to be making progress. Universities seem to be making a move to make the results of their research publicly accessible. Literacy is going up and the same goes for education in general. They certainly do something and it works.

[Sam Polson]

@Vector
Yea, right. This is why two World Wars in our modern time took more lives than any other wars.

@Tiruin

I learend psychology and philosophy in the universe. But still, my point remains.
And any examples could be apply to humanity as a whole global social group.

@Antsan

And in the same time third world goes to hell, while first world sucks all good stuff from them. Kinda unfair, don't you think?

[Tiruin]

@Antsan

And in the same time third world goes to hell, while first world sucks all good stuff from them. Kinda unfair, don't you think?

In the third-world, we've heroes who guide our values, [Like this person right here] and who exemplify goals which are universally appreciated (ie Golden Rule//Striving for holistic development). Recently, we've also been pretty much rooting out corruption in our country and heading in a better direction than pretty much before.
Progress is also happening in other third-world countries, no matter how small.

It's very narrow-minded to say that nothing's happening, or to discount the deeds of the honorable dead as nothing.
Though if it has no value to you, then what worth will it be if you don't give it value?

Though seeing that: It's disappointing, from here, that one who has studied such subjects would be able to say such things about us.

[Antsan]

Yes, it is unfair. Still, it is a problem that is acknowledged and being worked on, which is something that wasn't the case a 100 years ago. There's still an improvement and working on making it happen faster is an option that is pursued by many people.

In regards to the whole therapy thing: Social workers I know have told me that therapy can take decades. Many people who are showing the usual signs of therapy working are quitting because it doesn't work fast enough and they expect effects after a few months.

[Sam Polson]

And still, you don't understand the main flaw in this system. I'll explain.
All this time you've been telling me about people, who act against bad things and try to improve life and such.
But didn't you think why they should even FIGHT in the first place? Why should they fight against something terrible? Aren't all people want to end bad stuff?
Those who are opposite good things outnumber those who want to change something. It's a fact that doesn't need any proves, 'cause... well, you just have to look around to understand it.

[Cheeetar]

@Vector
Yea, right. This is why two World Wars in our modern time took more lives than any other wars.

This is failing to take into account the growing population of the world. For example, as far as I know the English Civil War was much more deadly, comparing the relative size of people involved to people killed.

Sam: Where are the examples that people who help people are hurt and fail? You can't say that it's assumed knowledge because 'we' know it exists - I for one don't! Nice people are generally pretty well regarded, AFAIK.

Xvareon: It might be worthwhile to look at ways to help Sam other than interacting with Sam himself (anybody you can contact in real life that would be able to get him help?) It's probably pretty difficult to get past these barriers he's built up alone, and just talking to him over the internet it's quite difficult to make an impact.

[Sam Polson]

@Vector
Yea, right. This is why two World Wars in our modern time took more lives than any other wars.

This is failing to take into account the growing population of the world. For example, as far as I know the English Civil War was much more deadly, comparing the relative size of people involved to people killed.

Sam: Where are the examples that people who help people are hurt and fail? You can't say that it's assumed knowledge because 'we' know it exists - I for one don't! Nice people are generally pretty well regarded, AFAIK.

Yes, but these are biggest wars in history, so you can't deny that title.
As for examples -- people who tried to stop discrimination for one. It's still happening really often on a regular basis. Or people who tried to make a better society -- look at the society we live in now.

[Cheeetar]

Discrimination is still a problem, but you can't deny that it's a much smaller problem, especially in the more developed nations (of which I assume you live in, given your access to western television and the internet.)

[Sam Polson]

Discrimination is still a problem, but you can't deny that it's a much smaller problem, especially in the more developed nations (of which I assume you live in, given your access to western television and the internet.)

Oh, you think so? Well, then I must surprise you. It is still a problem. A huge one. For example, people who are working at certain jobs treated like untocheable, low sort, scum. Just because they don't have a fancy job in some kind of high-class business or whatever.
And don't even get me started with any others kind of discrimination. No matter where you live. Just in some countries this problem is even worse than in the others. But as a whole, humanity is still in the late medievals, when it comes to social progress.

[Orange Wizard]

Society we live in now is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than, say, five hundred years ago. We've got indoor plumbing, electricity, medicine, and in many places, housing standards and labour laws.
Whether or not all this nice stuff is just a big conspiracy for The Man to earn more money off us is irrelevant. Life is better than it was before, period.

Discrimination is still a problem, but you can't deny that it's a much smaller problem, especially in the more developed nations (of which I assume you live in, given your access to western television and the internet.)

Oh, you think so? Well, then I must surprise you. It is still a problem. A huge one. For example, people who are working at certain jobs treated like untocheable, low sort, scum. Just because they don't have a fancy job in some kind of high-class business or whatever.
And don't even get me started with any others kind of discrimination. No matter where you live. Just in some countries this problem is even worse than in the others. But as a whole, humanity is still in the late medievals, when it comes to social progress.

I live in New Zealand, where racism amounts to complaining about all the Chinese shops in Riccarton, and maybe if we're feeling really discriminatory, making jokes about Australians being stupid. It is not at all "medieval".
Granted, other countries are different, but just because you can't see the progress doesn't mean it isn't there.

Spoiler: Silly comparative historical estimation; probably just ignore this (click to show/hide)

WWII resulted in the deaths of approximately 60 million people. World population after the war was approximately 2.5 billion.
The biggest war of all time took out just over two percent of the world's population.

The English Civil War, which was mentioned above, killed 190 thousand people. England's population at that time is estimated to be 5 million.
A war that took place in a small corner of the globe took out three and a half percent of the country's population.

I'm probably going to go into a ridiculously in-depth analysis comparing the two conflicts now.

[Sam Polson]

Society we live in now is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than, say, five hundred years ago. We've got indoor plumbing, electricity, medicine, and in many places, housing standards and labour laws.
Whether or not all this nice stuff is just a big conspiracy for The Man to earn more money off us is irrelevant. Life is better than it was before, period.

Discrimination is still a problem, but you can't deny that it's a much smaller problem, especially in the more developed nations (of which I assume you live in, given your access to western television and the internet.)

Oh, you think so? Well, then I must surprise you. It is still a problem. A huge one. For example, people who are working at certain jobs treated like untocheable, low sort, scum. Just because they don't have a fancy job in some kind of high-class business or whatever.
And don't even get me started with any others kind of discrimination. No matter where you live. Just in some countries this problem is even worse than in the others. But as a whole, humanity is still in the late medievals, when it comes to social progress.

I live in New Zealand, where racism amounts to complaining about all the Chinese shops in Riccarton, and maybe if we're feeling really discriminatory, making jokes about Australians being stupid. It is not at all "medieval".
Granted, other countries are different, but just because you can't see the progress doesn't mean it isn't there.

Spoiler: Silly comparative historical estimation; probably just ignore this (click to show/hide)

WWII resulted in the deaths of approximately 60 million people. World population after the war was approximately 2.5 billion.
The biggest war of all time took out just over two percent of the world's population.

The English Civil War, which was mentioned above, killed 190 thousand people. England's population at that time is estimated to be 5 million.
A war that took place in a small corner of the globe took out three and a half percent of the country's population.

I'm probably going to go into a ridiculously in-depth analysis comparing the two conflicts now.

Just because something is imrpoving, doesn't mean it's good.
Something gets better, other thing get worse.
Compare crime rates, for example. They raised dramatically for past few decades, especially in Central America (Mexican drug war, for example).
As for wars -- don't you think that losing 60 million people far more tragic than losing 190.000 people? No matter what size population has?
Racism is a huge problem. Black racism, for one. When an owner has to choice a black empoyee over a white one, even if the last has much more experience and better education. Because if he'll choose a white one, a black one will lawsuit him for discrimination.

[Naryar]

And still, you don't understand the main flaw in this system. I'll explain.
All this time you've been telling me about people, who act against bad things and try to improve life and such.
But didn't you think why they should even FIGHT in the first place? Why should they fight against something terrible? Aren't all people want to end bad stuff?
Those who are opposite good things outnumber those who want to change something. It's a fact that doesn't need any proves, 'cause... well, you just have to look around to understand it.

Wow no... you really think 95% of the population is actively malicious against other people ?

Half of the conflicts in this world are due to either poor communication or one sided being more bullheaded than the other. That is all.

And yes you should fight against these bad things, because they exist, and thinking there is an utopia for you after death doesn't solve stuff.

Especially that this utopia is completely fictional and man-created. You said yourself MLP was made by humans to get money, why do you want to go there ?

[Cheeetar]

Something gets better, other thing get worse.
Compare crime rates, for example. They raised dramatically for past few decades, especially in Central America (Mexican drug war, for example).

Err... not really? I'd like to see the statistics for this, because literally everything I've heard before now has pointed towards a decrease in major crime.

Racism is a huge problem. Black racism, for one. When an owner has to choice a black empoyee over a white one, even if the last has much more experience and better education. Because if he'll choose a white one, a black one will lawsuit him for discrimination.

Stuff like this makes me believe you less and less at your claim that you're a nice helpful person and the problem is everyone around you rather than yourself. I do hope you don't earnestly believe that white people are at a disadvantage to black people because 'reverse racism' or something stupid like that.