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Author Topic: Friend with a particular attachment problem. Can anyone relate?  (Read 12814 times)

Sam Polson

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Re: Friend with a particular attachment problem. Can anyone relate?
« Reply #90 on: October 02, 2014, 12:32:47 am »

I'm not going to argue about what people should and shouldn't do with ponies. They can treat ponies hovewer they want, since nobody seems to understand the simple thing about them. I haven't met anyone, so far.
And even if this world has good folks, humanity as a system is deeply corrupted and flawed, so much that I doubt it'd possible to fix it.
Equestria isn't perfect and it isn't utopia, actually. It just happens when reasonable creatures decide to live like reasonable creatures. Simple. But so many humans don't understand it, or just don't want to. They prefer mixing primal instincts and corrupted minds and enjoy... whatever outcome they've got.
What I need is to gather enough courage, enough strenght to finally put a noose on my neck and be done with this world.
Live in Equestria. It's a slim chance, but it's there. In here I don't have even a slim chance. So the answer is clear to me.
Then why not be happy now? What is humanity, exactly for you? Could you please inform us of this, with examples if possible? Is there any proof going against your version of humanity?


Because that version of humanity you've got, doesn't exist here--rather, some attributes do, but as a whole is non-existent. Unless I misunderstand.
It's easy. Constant wars and crimes because of stupid reasons, or out of simple agressiveness and  bigotry. Killing people because they don't believe in you imaginable friend. Social systems that force people to take drugs, getting drunk or whatever, because they can't deal with such a life in clear state of mind. Also, the same systems make people homeless and hungry, while the world has more than enough recourses for all people to have essentuals, at least.
Also, that constant fight for power and influence. Contests are fine, but when people kill and destroy morally each other, that is not okay.
I won't tell about all kinds of discriminations, and how people treat them like it's normal.
Humanity as a system is deeply corrupted and flawed without a chance to be fixed. I'm not happy because I'm the part of humanity. I don't want to live here.
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Re: Friend with a particular attachment problem. Can anyone relate?
« Reply #91 on: October 02, 2014, 12:36:37 am »

What and who are they? Everyone?
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Sam Polson

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« Reply #92 on: October 02, 2014, 12:39:27 am »

What and who are they? Everyone?
They -- the absolute majority of people who keep pushing the world into a swamp.
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Tiruin

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« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2014, 12:42:48 am »

Errm, would you mind if we'd bring information against that--that it is futile to believe in humanity at all because of the many hindrances it has? :O
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« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2014, 12:46:40 am »

Errm, would you mind if we'd bring information against that--that it is futile to believe in humanity at all because of the many hindrances it has? :O
I don't believe in humanity, actually. And I don't want to. I just wish to be away from all of this and I can't see any other way aside from suicide. But I can't do that either. At least, not now.
So I'm kinda stuck.
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Re: Friend with a particular attachment problem. Can anyone relate?
« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2014, 12:48:14 am »

Consider: What if there is a pony-themed afterlife, but those who commit suicide are not allowed into it?
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« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2014, 12:58:49 am »

Consider: What if there is a pony-themed afterlife, but those who commit suicide are not allowed into it?
What if there is a pony-themed afterlife and you can enter it only by deathright? (as in, kill themselves to actually give Equestria and ponies their goodness). I believe in this.
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Tiruin

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« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2014, 01:00:45 am »

You did take into account that MLP was made by people, right?

Though I'm curious about the latter part. If apes are aggressive and we 'evolved' from them, then we by nature are aggressive...
Isn't that delving quite much into racism itself? As many people by nature, aren't even into aggression...Studies from centuries before have also depicted that as more of a cultural happening than something inherent to human nature. I mean, sure, people have feelings of aggression, but there's also the choice of making that aggression objective.

Just real curious--why do you choose to give up?
« Last Edit: October 02, 2014, 01:08:09 am by Tiruin »
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« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2014, 01:16:16 am »

You did take into account that MLP was made by people, right?

Though I'm curious about the latter part. If apes are aggressive and we 'evolved' from them, then we by nature are aggressive...
Isn't that delving quite much into racism itself? As many people by nature, aren't even into aggression...Studies from centuries before have also depicted that as more of a cultural happening than something inherent to human nature. I mean, sure, people have feelings of aggression, but there's also the choice of making that aggression objective.

Just real curious--why do you choose to give up?
Well, first of all -- yes, I did. MLP made by people as a commercial to make more money from selling toys. This is the main idea.

Now -- yes, I'm a racist. I hate the majority of humans just because they are humans. But I also have good reasons to feel this way -- see my post above.
As for giving up -- I don't belong in this world. I don't share it's agressiveness and bigotry, I'm not one of people who love such stuff. And I don't want anything from Earth either.
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Re: Friend with a particular attachment problem. Can anyone relate?
« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2014, 02:04:32 am »

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« Reply #100 on: October 02, 2014, 02:10:02 am »

@NullForceOmega
Humans are humans. This tiny amount of good people cannot cahnge a thing. Even if you, personally believe in this, you can't cahnge anything, too. You can just accept this flawed world and deny the truth.
I'm not like this, you know. I can't just close my eyes and try to live in this place.
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« Reply #101 on: October 02, 2014, 02:22:27 am »

Just to add: Why don't you want to know? As in, you said I don't want to know when approached with examples against the perception you believe in. Have you delved into psychology, philosophy or at least sociology?
I ask this because when people stop wanting to know things (ie to understand them), their growth and maturation of mental and logical limits are hindered and stunted--falling back only to what you know now. Not wanting to know because of probable fear and such along those lines...leaves you only with what you have. Speaking from personal experience here...
What you say seems to be very limited in its scope, and doesn't encompass what is human nature in all holistic value.

Because...checking back and re-reading the thread, its very narrow... :-\
It's like you're both being defeatist, and pessimistic, saying you're good (or something like that?) yet...not acting to change what is bad around you. Very kind people act against that which you hate. It has been exemplified multiple times in history, and is being done pretty much in such great intensity today that you just have to search for it to see it...
Meaning: It's like you're focusing on the bad parts of human history and using that to reinforce and bolster your worldview...when it seems you haven't even chosen to look at the other side. Its a defeatist and pessimistic attitude that won't help you with anything at all.

@NullForceOmega
Humans are humans. This tiny amount of good people cannot cahnge a thing. Even if you, personally believe in this, you can't cahnge anything, too. You can just accept this flawed world and deny the truth.
I'm not like this, you know. I can't just close my eyes and try to live in this place.
I'll be working for that peace, if you'll excuse me. I won't just sit down and mope at how everything is sucky. :-\
« Last Edit: October 02, 2014, 02:27:24 am by Tiruin »
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« Reply #102 on: October 02, 2014, 02:25:35 am »

Just to add: Why don't you want to know? As in, you said I don't want to know when approached with examples against the perception you believe in.

Because its very narrow... :-\
It's like you're both being defeatist, and pessimistic, saying you're good (or something like that?) yet...not acting to change what is bad around you. Very kind people act against that which you hate. It has been exemplified multiple times in history, and is being done pretty much in such great intensity today that you just have to search for it to see it...

@NullForceOmega
Humans are humans. This tiny amount of good people cannot cahnge a thing. Even if you, personally believe in this, you can't cahnge anything, too. You can just accept this flawed world and deny the truth.
I'm not like this, you know. I can't just close my eyes and try to live in this place.
I'll be working for that peace, if you'll excuse me. I won't just sit down and mope at how everything is sucky. :-\
Very kind people act against it -- and where are they now? Forgotten, locked down, turned into jesters and monsters. They didn't change a thing.
And besides -- didn't you think that if you have to act against society, it's not a good one, to begin with? You have to change reasons, not to fight with outcome.
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« Reply #103 on: October 02, 2014, 02:29:47 am »

Just to add: Why don't you want to know? As in, you said I don't want to know when approached with examples against the perception you believe in.

Because its very narrow... :-\
It's like you're both being defeatist, and pessimistic, saying you're good (or something like that?) yet...not acting to change what is bad around you. Very kind people act against that which you hate. It has been exemplified multiple times in history, and is being done pretty much in such great intensity today that you just have to search for it to see it...

@NullForceOmega
Humans are humans. This tiny amount of good people cannot cahnge a thing. Even if you, personally believe in this, you can't cahnge anything, too. You can just accept this flawed world and deny the truth.
I'm not like this, you know. I can't just close my eyes and try to live in this place.
I'll be working for that peace, if you'll excuse me. I won't just sit down and mope at how everything is sucky. :-\

Very kind people act against it -- and where are they now? Forgotten, locked down, turned into jesters and monsters. They didn't change a thing.

And besides -- didn't you think that if you have to act against society, it's not a good one, to begin with? You have to change reasons, not to fight with outcome.
You missed the first question above. Like, the first sentence.

And the orange part? Please provide tangible proof of it--in the least, such events are recorded in history, like where it happened, who they are specifically, and when. Is that the fate of all very kind people?
Because if they didn't change any single thing--isn't it recorded in history?
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« Reply #104 on: October 02, 2014, 02:33:54 am »

Okay, the reason I don't want to know is that any examples won't change anything. For every good act there would be tons of bad ones.
As for examples... that's the thing, actually. That we don't know or don't remember people who tried to do something. We just know that there were dozens of them who wanted to change anything, but they are now forgotten, and they didn't do anything.
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