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Re: Elves, and more competent warriors
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2014, 05:58:37 pm »
Quote from: Panando on September 12, 2014, 05:53:43 pm
I've always thought that elves grow their weapons something like this.

And magical wood should be able to do cut steel.
IRL only gladiators and desperate slaves fought wearing that little. :D
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2014, 08:48:00 pm »
Let them grow/have pet Treants.

Big walking guardian trees.

edit: Or they have weapons that make people burst into greenery like a troll in central park, little plants start growing all over them until they turn into a tree o.O
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2014, 10:02:19 pm »
Honestly, Elves are already pretty deadly, under the right circumstances. I once saw an army of Elves conquer and wipe out an entire Human civ using large numbers and war animals. I've also heard that they can siege in the hundreds, and they exist in the 10,000's on larger worlds. There are so many that to make them more powerful would result in them taking over every world they exist in. I do agree that they should have a bit of magic when it's added in, though. It just fits well.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2014, 10:16:40 pm »
The point is that when they come to your fort, they are hella weak.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2014, 10:22:27 pm »
Quote from: Art on September 12, 2014, 10:16:40 pm
The point is that when they come to your fort, they are hella weak.
Well, the archers can do some damage, unless your Dwarves have full plate, and they will come stealthed, or in large numbers. Unfortunately, I can never get them to siege me so I've never experienced it firsthand. I can only go off of stories I've heard.
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Re: Elves, and more competent warriors
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2014, 10:26:36 pm »
Quote from: Quartz_Mace on September 12, 2014, 10:22:27 pm
Quote from: Art on September 12, 2014, 10:16:40 pm
The point is that when they come to your fort, they are hella weak.
Well, the archers can do some damage, unless your Dwarves have full plate, and they will come stealthed, or in large numbers. Unfortunately, I can never get them to siege me so I've never experienced it firsthand. I can only go off of stories I've heard.
In the new version they are better than previous versions, based only on my testing.

ranged weapons were corrected (nerfed, effectively).
Skulls were made thicker, and unarmed attacks seem weakened.

Elves have more time to get in a critical hit.  Which is why I'm leaning towards a roguish elf.  Lots of little attacks to make a big difference, and stealth bonuses.

In previous versions elfs had the rail guns to protect them.  But they were easy pisy.  Id rather take elves to humans, and humans to goblins.


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Making the elves better in local fortress sieges will usually have an effect on worldgen.  Larger size, lessso, but natural skills, immorality, and increased access to materials will.

Spells and access to any one mount don't seem to improve worldgen survivability all that much, and sometimes result in  . . . 'interesting' side effects, depending on how worldgen uses them.
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2014, 10:51:56 pm »
Procedurally generated poisons could definitely work, it wouldn't even matter whether or not the arrows could get through your armor, the contaminant could transfer.

Or,  if you want more !!fun!!, perhaps they could tame titans?
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2014, 10:58:00 pm »
I actually just "modded" my elves recently, though I'm not sure how well it worked overall.. :| I'm a bit of a mad copy/paste butcher with it..

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2014, 06:26:29 am »
so how would one go about modding in poison usage?
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2014, 10:59:05 am »
Quote from: Bogus on September 13, 2014, 06:26:29 am
so how would one go about modding in poison usage?
Blowgun skill, from what I gather.  Any ranged weapon that depends on the blowgun skill can be (randomly) poisoned.  So adding a unique bow for the elves and making it level the blowgun skill will make them have randomly assigned poisons on them.
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2014, 01:56:01 pm »
Quote from: pisskop on September 13, 2014, 10:59:05 am
Quote from: Bogus on September 13, 2014, 06:26:29 am
so how would one go about modding in poison usage?
Blowgun skill, from what I gather.  Any ranged weapon that depends on the blowgun skill can be (randomly) poisoned.  So adding a unique bow for the elves and making it level the blowgun skill will make them have randomly assigned poisons on them.

FYI, you'd need to give elves the USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS tag for this to work right (using animal venoms and such) without some special modded-in poison, otherwise they'll only use gnomeblight. The poisons assigned may be random, but it does depend on what the civ is allowed to have access to. 
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Re: Elves, and more competent warriors
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2014, 04:35:06 pm »
Quote from: dwarf_reform on September 12, 2014, 10:58:00 pm
I actually just "modded" my elves recently, though I'm not sure how well it worked overall.. :| I'm a bit of a mad copy/paste butcher with it..

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Those are some pretty big changes. Your elves are now evil, are happy to murder nature, and live in cities. Any particular reason why you took them in such a radical direction? Not judging, just wondering.
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Re: Elves, and more competent warriors
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2014, 04:53:20 pm »
Quote from: Prudent Viper on September 13, 2014, 04:35:06 pm
Quote from: dwarf_reform on September 12, 2014, 10:58:00 pm
I actually just "modded" my elves recently, though I'm not sure how well it worked overall.. :| I'm a bit of a mad copy/paste butcher with it..

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Those are some pretty big changes. Your elves are now evil, are happy to murder nature, and live in cities. Any particular reason why you took them in such a radical direction? Not judging, just wondering.
Rise of the Elves?
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Re: Elves, and more competent warriors
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2014, 06:52:48 pm »
Has anyone found out how to mod grown wood?

Otherwise I'm thinking glass gear is a way to go.
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Re: Elves, and more competent warriors
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2014, 06:51:07 am »
Glass armour, yes, but only if it has suitably dwarven and !!fun!! consequences for anyone who wears it.

The Hammerdwarf strikes the elf in the upper right arm with the *steel war hammer*, shattering the glass armour!

An artery has been torn open! The muscle is torn and the fat is torn.

The elf has been struck down.

Flying glass shards from shattered armour could also potentially damage unarmoured dwarves nearby, making glass armoured elves effective suicide bombers.
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