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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #315 on: October 08, 2014, 09:33:20 am »

Supreme Representative Robert - Avalia : Currently Addressing the Economic Council



Avalia proposes the following amendments, which will be needed to ensure that the proposals do not conflict with the United Assembly Charter. Removed Sections have been crossed out,  Additions in green, comments in red.

Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P01-R-2 (click to show/hide)

Issues with this proposal have been noted above.

The same procedure will be continued.

Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P02-R-1 (click to show/hide)

The next proposal has been turned into an empty box by Tirinia, for reasons to unknown to me. As such, Avalia proposes the following more substantive alternative. (Still an amendment)

Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P03-R-1 (click to show/hide)
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #316 on: October 08, 2014, 10:12:22 am »

First of all, I would like to as the Assembly Leader not to lump amendment together. While some parts of his proposal regarding the ERA are worthwhile, not all of them are so, and lumping all of them together will force me to regretfully vote down all of them.

Secondly, while Section 5) of the ERA charter may be in conflict with the Assembly Charter, I dispute the fact that section 4) is. After all, the decision of the temporary board has to be ratified by the HC, thus fullfilling Article 6), Section 2). Still, this amendment is worthwhile, as I'm not sure the extra layer of control is worth it and we support this change.

Finally, and most importantly, I disagree that Section 7) is in breach of the charter. The Charter does not specify a way to amend the charter of agencies, hence we have the right to provide whatever provisions we see fit to put in place. Removing Section 7) would prevent any amendment to the ERA's charter without dissolving and re-creating the agency, and should the Assembly Leader decide to keep it, we will vote against EC-CA-001-P01-R-2.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #317 on: October 08, 2014, 10:22:54 am »

Supreme Representative Robert - Avalia : Currently Addressing the Economic Council



With all respect, this is not a matter on which can be voted or negotiated. Chapter 4 is in direct conflict due to the following provision :

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Any decision to be made by the board must be agreed by a majority of its members, and any decision to end the agency's deployment must be ratified by the Humanitarian Committee
This breaks with the Charter in two ways. First of, it implies that ending the deployment needs consent of the board, and secondly the fact it forgets that it needs consent of the General assembly.

Next, we must note that the United Assembly is not an all powerful organization limited by it's charter, but an international organization driven by it. Powers not included in the Charter should be not be considered to be taken for granted.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #318 on: October 08, 2014, 02:10:10 pm »

Morh Diban - Ordia

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EC-CA-001-P01-R-2, no objections to the amendment, support.

About EC-CA-001-P02-R-1, I do not really see as harmful ability for Assembly to gently push the bank into investing there where interests of the Assembly lie, of course at the cost of certain degree of efficiency and profits. However, due to charter conflict we still vote for the amendment. We contemplated proposing a version with original (3) and removed (4) but probably it is indeed better to leave bank to it's main goal and organize different structures for different purposes if the need arises.

Ordia strongly supports EC-CA-001-P03-R-1. The only things that slightly baffles me is section (4), but then, I am diplomat, not the economist. It mentions trade of Tariff Credits. Since they are country-locked the only ones who can trade it are the citizens and organizations of the country that exports outside of UCM, correct?
Another question is why countries are stimulated so much to export outside of the Market? The country whose traditional trading partners are inside the UCM is penaltied compared to the one that trades both inside and outside of UCM.
Just in case, we propose another version of tariff problem solution, although cruder and simpler.

Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P03-R-1-O-1 (click to show/hide)
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2014, 02:45:24 pm »

((oh gosh, that is a typo. Obviously we want to strengthen the trade within the UCM.))
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #320 on: October 08, 2014, 02:55:06 pm »

I would like to remind my esteemed colleague that we're currently discussing the ERA, as per the chapter. Amendments and vote on the other proposals will have to wait their due course.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #321 on: October 08, 2014, 05:34:46 pm »

Morh Diban - Ordia
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Ah right, right. I am sorry.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #322 on: October 09, 2014, 04:55:38 am »



Sir Gustav Hertmann - Tirinia, addressing the Economic Council

Well, in a spirit of compromise which should inspire Assembly Leader Robert, I propose the following amendment, essentially EC-CA-001-P01-R2, without the suppression of Section 7:


Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P01-R-3 (click to show/hide)

Again, I'll remind my esteemed colleague that leaving section 7 out will give the United Assembly no way to edit the working of our agencies. We have a duty to our countries to keep our creations under control, and this mean some part of the United Assembly must have the power to edit the agencies' charters.

With this, the 24-hour amendment period for EC-CA-001-P01-R-0 is over and we might vote over the amendments. The voting period will last until all delegates have voted or 24 hours, whichever is shorter, after which we will vote on the proposal itself.

The three amendments under considerations are the following:

Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P01-R-1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P01-R-2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: EC-CA-001-P01-R-3 (click to show/hide)

Tirinia will vote as follow:

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EC-CA-001-P01-R-1: Nay
EC-CA-001-P01-R-2: Nay
EC-CA-001-P01-R-3: Aye

We chose to vote against EC-CA-001-P01-R-1 as it is no longer needed with the addition of the other amendments. We vote against EC-CA-001-P01-R-2 and for EC-CA-001-P01-R-3 because the Assembly Leader's proposal do not provide for a mechanism to edit the charter. Furthermore, he does not actually suppress sections, but just leave them empty, which is bad legal practice.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #323 on: October 09, 2014, 01:26:16 pm »

Morh Diban - Ordia.
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We will vote nay on the final amendment, out of fear that should it pass, Avalia might declare conflict with the charter and awaken slumbering beast that is Conflict Resolution Mechanism. Who knows what amount of time will pass and how many lives that could be saved will go to waste while we trade words? Later, when agency is already working, we can make a new one with a charter that will suit everyone and let it inherit the old one.

EC-CA-001-P01-R-1: Nay
EC-CA-001-P01-R-2: Aye
EC-CA-001-P01-R-3: Nay
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #324 on: October 09, 2014, 01:36:59 pm »

There is no conflict with the charter in my amendment apart in the Assembly Leader's incompetent legal team's mind.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #325 on: October 09, 2014, 03:40:15 pm »

Supreme Representative Robert - Avalia : Currently Addressing the Economic Council


There is in fact, a conflict with the charter. The Tirinian representative makes the irrealistic assumption that if the charter does not provide a power to the United Assembly, that it is theirs to take or give. That is in direct conflict with the Charter, which reserves the right to modify the Charter to the policy council.

Now Avalia will vote in favour of both EC-CA-001-P01-R-2 and EC-CA-001-P01-R-3 (If R-2 doesn't pass), with the clear warning that should anyone try to utilize Section 7 without the amendements required being made by the Policy committee, that will immediately use our powers as Assembly Leader to safeguard the Charter.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #326 on: October 09, 2014, 03:56:32 pm »

Teton votes AYE on all proposals.
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #327 on: October 09, 2014, 05:28:47 pm »

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"...would anyone on the Justice committee like to speak? It has been a long time since we last discussed this."
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #328 on: October 09, 2014, 06:47:00 pm »

"Currently we have Master Fezzik and Ruko ruling in favor of the woman, whatever her name is. And me ruling in favor of smile inc. What is your opinion on CPJ-something something -001?"
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Re: The United Assembly - Delegating Global Progress
« Reply #329 on: October 09, 2014, 07:34:53 pm »

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