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Majestic7

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Re: Fallout Fan Theories.
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2014, 02:41:59 am »

Now that I checked Fallout wiki, it mentions that Pentagon planned to send FEV to China. (Either to bolster forces with super mutants or to use FEV as a weapon.) Whether it happened or not is unknown. So we are kind of both right, it is up to speculation and interpretation. :p The info is sourced as being from Fallout 3. I can't provide link right now, but it is in the FEV article there.

If I were running Fallout rpg or planning a new game, I'd rule that FEV was sent to China, for maximum Fun. Maybe not the supermutant version, but some earlier strain that just causes insane mutations.
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Re: Fallout Fan Theories.
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2014, 02:53:30 am »

Yeah. Mostly I'm just sick of fucking super mutants.
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Re: Fallout Fan Theories.
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2014, 03:12:09 am »

Agreed, that is why New Vegas was so much better than Failout 3. They actually had original storyline which expanded on previous plots instead of basically ramming together plots from FO1 and FO2 into a lackluster third game.
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2014, 09:28:00 am »

Agreed, that is why New Vegas was so much better than Failout 3. They actually had original storyline which expanded on previous plots instead of basically ramming together plots from FO1 and FO2 into a lackluster third game.

No, New Vegas was better than 3 because 3 was just a lazy fanfic, while NV is a continuation of the actual story.  The fact we have to even acknowledge Bethesda's hackjob of a story as cannon makes me grind my teeth.

As to what happened to Asia, I'd say a lot of it would be devestated.  Not just from the nuclear bombs, but because China and India are 2 of the most densely populated countries in the world, the effects of disease on their mutations would have done a lot to wipe out most of mainland Asia.  Russia probably faired better, though my guess is a few "errant" nukes found their ways to some of the more major cities, but since most of the Cold War USSR was already living like a nuclear holocaust had occured since the end of WW2, the people were probably like "Eh." and were able to cope with the devastation much more easily than most the rest of the world.  Since Japan is on the Jet Stream, I'd think even if no nukes hit, a fair bit of fallout would have found it's way to Japan, and maybe even the aforementioned disease.

Areas I'd be more interested in learning of would be places not targeted by the war, which more or less had a First World infrastructure, like Australia. 

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2014, 09:37:36 am »

No, New Vegas was better than 3 because 3 was just a lazy fanfic, while NV is a continuation of the actual story.  The fact we have to even acknowledge Bethesda's hackjob of a story as cannon makes me grind my teeth.

"Guise, Liam Neeson is trying to save the world with water from a well known Washington D.C monument. Also, the Enclave. Oh, and the BoS. Oh, and super mutants somehow. And guess what? A G.E.C.K! LOOK, WE'RE MAKING CONTINUITY."

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2014, 10:47:46 am »

I'd guess if anywhere wasn't hit as hard by the nukers it would be sure to let the survivors in those that were know. So that means my guess is everywhere is in the same situation or worse as the US in the Fallout series.

Besides when I think of post apocalyptic Australia I think of Road Warrior and Return to Thunderdome or whatever the name is.
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Re: Fallout Fan Theories.
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2014, 11:41:14 am »

PTW.

Also, No-Bark Noonan's voice actor is the same as that of the surviving Vault 11 Dweller. Even their intonations and accents are similar. Noonan also has a Vault-Tec poster in his shack. Could be that they're one and the same.

Theory: Noonan tried telling people the truth about what happened in the Vault, but they thought him a nutcase. He adopted the nutcase persona, grew into it, started cooking up more and more outrageous conspiracy theories over time. The pretend insanity is kind of an escapist fantasy for him: if he's insane, then everything that transpired in the Vault didn't really happen, it was just something he dreamt up.
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2014, 11:59:46 am »

Ehhh I actually liked the 3rd the most and really disliked New Vegas.

Mostly because I avoid main quests like crazy (and frankly the geopolitical struggles in New Vegas felt like a really lazy cop out on what should be an epic storyline. Fallout 1 and 2 actually had credible villains...) and because Fallout 3 did encounters better, and side areas better, and the vaults were more interesting, and general enemies better, and weapons better... >_>

So New Vegas to me ONLY had the main story to fall back on, and while better... it is inferior to Fallout 1 and technically 2 (but honestly I thought the story of Fallout 2 was lacking). Well that and some great DLC, honestly the DLC saved New Vegas for me (well SOME of the DLC... BOY is the Grand Canyon boring)
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2014, 12:07:13 pm »

I have played FO3 and have not played New Vegas.

My question, for those who have played them:  Can we really take their stories as canon?

I know Obsidian and Avellone worked on New Vegas so I'll give their ability to write stories true to the canon more weight than Bethesda.  As far as I'm concerned FO3 doesn't exist in terms of storyline.  Just like Fallout Tactics doesn't exist in terms of storyline.

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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2014, 12:10:41 pm »

Fallout 3 actually I will say was more significant in terms of plot then... well New Vegas

Since New Vegas just amounted to geopolitical struggles... and Fallout 3 was... restoring the world.

Too bad Fallout 3 told its story completely incompetently.
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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2014, 12:24:18 pm »

There's a reason for that. Fallout 3's main quest line is short and disappointing outside of breaching the purifier. The environments, on the other hand, are meticulously constructed and filled with detail.

Fallout New Vegas, on the other hand, was a non-Bethesda Game Studios game being published by Bethesda Softworks. New Vegas had better writing and the world felt more connected (as opposed to Fallout 3's episodic structure) but they couldn't achieve the same level of polish with their resources.

Can we really take their stories as canon?
New Vegas includes some aspects of Van Buren. Van Buren and New Vegas had the same designer. So it's about as close to canon as you could possibly get at this point.
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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2014, 12:32:30 pm »

I remember really enjoying the 3d environments in Fallout 3.  I thought they nailed their portrayal of ghouls and the post apocalyptic scenery of DC was solid.  But it was way too far removed from anything Fallout 1 and 2 had other than similar names and entities for me to view it as a continuation and I grew bored with the story really fast.

New Vegas' connection to Van Buren seems interesting.  Is it worth playing you think?  I enjoyed the original storyline so much that I was instantly jaded when Bethesda started their development of FO3.  I watched it closely and I also watched them make a lot of statements only to not follow through.
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Re: Fallout Fan Theories.
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2014, 12:38:14 pm »

I know Obsidian and Avellone worked on New Vegas so I'll give their ability to write stories true to the canon more weight than Bethesda.  As far as I'm concerned FO3 doesn't exist in terms of storyline.  Just like Fallout Tactics doesn't exist in terms of storyline.
Yeah. At least Tactics made sense in terms of the goals of the characters. The game did it's job without trying to spin some stupid narrative.
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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2014, 12:46:47 pm »

Fallout 3 actually I will say was more significant in terms of plot then... well New Vegas

Since New Vegas just amounted to geopolitical struggles... and Fallout 3 was... restoring the world.

Too bad Fallout 3 told its story completely incompetently.
They didn't restore shit. The Hub was already distributing purified water in large amounts over a century earlier in FO1. Water was never THAT much of an issue. The East is just really backwards compared to the West, because Bethesda.

And I found Caesar to be a more credible villain than the dumb rehash in FO3. A guy uniting violent people under a dictatorship that's tyranical but better at handling the threats of the wasteland than the democratic forces drowning in bureaucracy in the West. More interesting than a genocidal AI that you can get to kill itself for no good reason.
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2014, 12:53:07 pm »

It restored the ecosystem of DC...

Something we never even saw the GECK do (which is honestly one of the most annoying things about the series... To the extent where my theory is that the GECKs don't work)

Something that could be mass produced rather then through a mass distillery. It could have far reaching concequences.

New Vegas? Ehhhh... we all know they are all going to be defeated by the next villain to come along.
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