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[Culise]

I hate to be a dick...but if any of you ever had any hope that it was not going to be garbage, a complete wreck, or obviously stripped down for DLC whoring...then maybe you need to remind yourselves that EA is all over it and that alone is enough to ruin a game.

I WANTED to look forward to this one...but I couldn't even try to get hyped...cause I knew it was gonna be this way.

Taking all that crap out because its a "new engine" is on the same level as all the lies they spit about simcity needing to be on servers and all that crap.

Eh, I wouldn't call you or your post anything offensive.  I know I always try to find excuses for that sort of thing, after all.  I mean, it's not like EA is absolutely terrible.  I mean, they published...ummm...no, that one was a studio that got eaten...no, so was that one...that one, too...that one came out decades ago...hmmmm...oh.  Mirror's Edge?  That was pretty innovative and popular when it came out, and it was made by a wholly-owned dev studio, and it came out less than ten years ago.  There, that's one game in ten years that wasn't absolutely terrible, and did not fall prey to money-mill-induced sequel rot.  Truly a high bar for any publishing company in the industry.

[scrdest]

I expected it to be shit. I just didn't guess it would be this bad. Too bad, because the Sims 3 was actually okay. The open-world aspect was my favorite part and it really did make everything a lot more interesting. Don't tell EA that, it'll break their little hearts. If they still possessed them.

That said, TS3 started showing the EA Rot infection later in its life cycle - those stupid, stupid, fucking pointless social media integration features (my sim has leveled up to lvl 1 in Taking a Dump... BETTER SHARE THIS WITH MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY, AMIRITE? Said nobody ever) - hell, in Showtime, they were pretty much MANDATORY in the pay-to-win sense. Plus the later objects pack basically reskinning objects from the previous expansion.

They still dropped an oft-requested feature every now and then, and some of the later expansions were still good, but the symptoms were there.

[Neonivek]

Hell, the only features I knew of are the absence of Swimming pools, and click and drag editor instead of sliders.

I have a feeling this is turning into Spore. Ie, Fantastic Editor, but they kind of forgot the game.

I heard that there apparently is no Sims 3-style open world or pattern editor in the CAS preview by Lazy Game Reviewer. Hype level: negative five.

That's just for starters.  I mean, I understand that they tend to drop back quite a bit whenever they start off a new game because of the whole "build a new engine" thing, but Mod The Sims and NeoGaf lists, well...a top-ten stand-out list to me.

1. No toddlers - the available life states are baby, child, teenager, adult, elder.
2. Babies are not an active life state; as in Sims 1, they're essentially objects.
3. Swimming is gone.  Pools are gone.  Swimwear is gone.  (This one will bother my niece more than me personally; she loves swimming, so in it goes for all her families)
4. Lot height reduced to 3 instead of 5 stories.  Lot size reduced from 64x64 to 50x50.
5. Terrain sculpting appears to be gone
6. Rabbitholes are gone (yay)...because community lots have been sharply reduced as part of the loss of the open world (not yay).
7. So many careers are gone, and the ones that remain seem to be a bit...odd.
8. Lot limits have sharply reduced (25 per world - 5 per neighborhood for 5 neighborhoods per world).  World and terrain editing are effectively gone.
9. Basements gone, foundations are now global to the lot instead of placed.
10. Service sims greatly reduced/gone - police officers, babysitters, repairmen, firefighters, and burglars.

Alright thats horrible, seriously how can they remove smoiething that has been in the series since sim 1 ( swimming pool ) and butcher so much stuff and DARE to call it sim4 o.O.

In the next DLC, The swimmers life, you will be able to build pool, have your sim swim and so on, for the mere price of 9.99USD! Finaly, carrer pack! have your sim do the job he really want for the mere price of 14.99USD!!!

No Story progression is the HUGE one... basically Sims age but they don't do anything else.

The ONLY reason I am getting The Sims 4 is because I have been with the series for so long... I have to experience its downfall first hand. Because I'll never accept it otherwise.

[scrdest]

You know, reading the MTS list, I'm starting to think some director got absolutely of doing Sims and its expansions over and over, and tried to torch the franchise on purpose.

[TamerVirus]

From what I'm reading, Sims 4 is a hollow husk of a game that's gonna be slowly pieced back together over the next few years.

I hope y'all have disposable income.

At least it looks nice?

[Neonivek]

You know, reading the MTS list, I'm starting to think some director got absolutely of doing Sims and its expansions over and over, and tried to torch the franchise on purpose.

The running theory is that Originally The Sims 4 was going to be a persistently online multiplayer like SimCity was... but they scrapped it... mostly because SimCity was terrible and everyone knew it.

It explains why the game is less graphically powerful and less taxing on the machine in general. As well as the elimination of the open world altogether.

It is a theory that I... Fully believe.

[Zona]

I haven't been convinced enough to buy it yet but if it will run without hitching every two seconds even with mods like overwatch and the graphics set down to basically wireframe then it's a small step up from 3 in my book. 

[Neonivek]

I haven't been convinced enough to buy it yet but if it will run without hitching every two seconds even with mods like overwatch and the graphics set down to basically wireframe then it's a small step up from 3 in my book. 

DO NOT Buy the Sims 4, I cannot stress this enough.

It is a step back in almost every way. The amount of genuine improvements the game brings to the SERIES (rather then just The Sims 3) is rather small.

Even the features it has like Multitasking are BROKEN!!! as in too powerful (If you leave a stereo on... you never have to deal with fun ever again)

[Sharp]

Unfortunately big companies seem to want to emphasis graphics over gameplay so gameplay gets sacrificed for tiny little things. I believe one of the Sims producers said that they are adding lots of little stuff which can be programmed quickly and easily but sacrificing something big and difficult to do.

This does happen in quite a lot of games especially when doing engine updates as you are essentially rebuilding a whole system so you can't just copy-paste old code. Also harder to code features mean more time and although it's nice to think that spending more time on a quality game before shipping it would be better for the fans the downside is for the company that it costs a lot more. More time coding means more money spend on development and testing, even patches are expensive to do. Of course EA can afford this but they want to maximise their profit so very unlikely to do so when they can just stick-up some customers for a while then wait until they forget about it before doing it again.

[Zona]

I haven't been convinced enough to buy it yet but if it will run without hitching every two seconds even with mods like overwatch and the graphics set down to basically wireframe then it's a small step up from 3 in my book. 

DO NOT Buy the Sims 4, I cannot stress this enough.

It is a step back in almost every way. The amount of genuine improvements the game brings to the SERIES (rather then just The Sims 3) is rather small.

Even the features it has like Multitasking are BROKEN!!! as in too powerful (If you leave a stereo on... you never have to deal with fun ever again)

I'm waiting for more impressions. If people seem generally positive about it on the forums I frequent I'll pick it up. If reception is lukewarm I'll hold out for a sale. If people generally hate it I'll give it a pass for now. I love 3 and every thing it added but it's unplayable for me after a while. It hitches and freezes every few seconds and crashes without warning. I don't know if it's bad programming or if it's something to do with my computer but features I enjoy in a game I can't play can only count for so much.

[scrdest]

All there is to know about TS4:

There is a 'Bro' trait.

Case closed, court adjourned.

E: Also, Name Police knows no mercy.

[BigD145]

The ONLY reason I am getting The Sims 4 is because I have been with the series for so long... I have to experience its downfall first hand.

You're voting with your dollars telling EA you want more Sims. How is that its downfall?

[Neonivek]

The ONLY reason I am getting The Sims 4 is because I have been with the series for so long... I have to experience its downfall first hand.

You're voting with your dollars telling EA you want more Sims. How is that its downfall?

I don't mean a financial downfall

[scrdest]

The Sims 4 confirmed for being The Sims.

[varnish]

The Sims 4 confirmed for being The Sims.

That's comforting, in a way.

So, with the no open world, does that mean it's back to the old way, where only your selected family actually advances in age? Nothing else in the world changes?