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[martinuzz]

Huh? What?

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Since when can a meal have 7 ingedients?

- I am not using burrows, so it's not some kind of planepacked food relative
- I am not forbidding or unforbidding any ingredients
- I am not making any changes in the kitchen menu
- I did not make any raw changes that could do this
- most of my prepared foods are normal 4 ingredient roasts, in fact this is the first piece like this I see, ever.

[Larix]

Cooks occasionally take a finished meal as ingredient when making another meal. I don't know what causes this, but in older forts with very active kitchens, i usually end up with a few stacks of five- or six-ingredient roasts, occasionally more. The most i can verify is eleven ingredients and i remember having seen at least fifteen once. For some reason, planepacked roasts often have multiple entries of quarry bush leaves as ingredients.

[Tacomagic]

I'm pretty sure this is related to each ingredient in a stack getting treated independantly of each other, though it seems to effect quarry bush leaves the most (might be becasue the entire bag is used as a single ingredient).

In this case, it looks like you might only have 4 ingredients, but when the stacks were processed, different items in the stacks were minced at different levels, which caused them to be listed more than once.

From what I'm seeing, your food was made like this:

2 stacks of quarry leaves (minced in several varying degrees of quality)
1 stack of rock nuts (Minced superiorly)
1 stack of bee jelly (Minced masterfully)

[Agent_Irons]

I think it has to do with quarry bush leaves being treated independently. Has anyone seen an overly-fat roast without quarry bush leaves?

[Larix]

Cooking ingredients don't get unstacked in processing, the dwarfs really pick up a finished roast and slap some more ingredients into it.

Example from .34.11 (masterfully prepared sheep tallow roasts): excep. cave lobster (fem.), excep. cave lobster (male), masterful cave lobster (fem.), exceptional sheep cheese, excep. sheep tallow, excep. sheep tallow, excep. sheep tallow.

In .34, fat is unstacked in rendering, giving one-item stacks. So while there are only four distinguishable ingredients, it's also clear that even _if_ there was the possibility for ingredient-unstacking during cooking, at least six individual stacks of ingredients went into it. And there are no quarry bush leaves involved.

Another example, a five-ingredient roast: alpaca sweetbread, alpaca tallow, sheep cheese, alpaca lung, wolf meat; five ingredients, all different (no quarry bush leaves). PS: and there's the six-item stack of coyote tallow roast consisting of nothing but coyote tallow. In .34, this absolutely means six stacks of ingredients.

Quarry bush leaves _are_ particularly common ingredients in super-roasts: my reference fort has five overloaded "quarry bush leaves roast" stacks - 1x11, 1x7, 1x6 and 2x5 ingredients. The seven-item roast includes some guineahen eggs, the others are quarry bush all the way.

[Loci]

Cooks occasionally take a finished meal as ingredient when making another meal.

Have you actually seen this happen? I've seen multiple-ingredient roasts before, and none included prepared meals as ingredients.

I also noticed my brewer managed to create a stack of 50 cherry wine--which means he must have combined two stacks of 5 cherries (cherries are currently only available as imported stacks of 5).

My guess would be that something is interrupting the dwarf while he's gathering ingredients; when he goes back to work he grabs a new set of ingredients and combines them with those already in the kitchen.

[Quietust]

It's possible the dwarf decided to use a food container as a single ingredient and automatically incorporated all of its contents - this sort of thing was known to be possible as far back as 40d with self-made milk barrels (since it doesn't stack).

[Saiko Kila]

Huh? What?

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Since when can a meal have 7 ingedients?

I can actually see 3 different ingredients. I get that frequently, here's my record example from v.0.40.x, chicken burger:

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It is worth 286 thousands. Despite a lengthy list it contains only four different ingredients. Sometimes they do contain more, but I haven't seen one with seven really different ingredients. Also they always seem to involve quarry bushes, probably because of their massive stacking. I'm waiting for my cooks to prepare forgotten beast roast.

[Larix]

I can actually see 3 different ingredients.

That doesn't matter; a roast is made from four food "items" normally, i.e. four individual stacks of cookable food. Those can be Plump helmet [3], Plump Helmet [3], Plump Helmet [4] and Plump Helmet [2], giving a perfectly legitimate plump helmet roast [12] made of plump helmet, plump helmet, plump helmet and plump helmet. Those _are_ four ingredients, they don't need to be different materials. Super-roasts are _probably_ not caused by ingredient repetition.

It is worth 286 thousands. Despite a lengthy list it contains only four different ingredients. Sometimes they do contain more, but I haven't seen one with seven really different ingredients. Also they always seem to involve quarry bushes, probably because of their massive stacking.

See above my example of a roast with five different ingredients not including quarry bush leaves. Repeated ingredients are not at all surprising - cooks collect ingredients with two preference orders: first - storage/type, preferring solid cookables in barrels and seeds over liquids/non-barrel solids; secondly - distance from the dwarf, where a fixed pattern is used when looking at same-distance locations. Consequently, they'll try to work their way through barrels and will keep taking items from the same barrel until it's empty. So if the "closest" barrel is a fat barrel, they'll go and pick four "tallow" items for each roast until that barrel is empty; especially in .34 where fat unstacks during rendering, that results in roasts consisting of nothing but tallow, often even four instances of the same tallow. Similarly, "spice" barrels/pots contain nothing but quarry bush leaves and generate very uniform roasts when they're sourced by the kitchen. I've no idea what makes the leaves so prone to exceeding the standard ingredient count, though.

[Baffler]

Does that mean that there is no control on materials, in the case of equidistant supply barrels? Will a cook will empty a barrel of it's 4 tallow, then empty a barrel of it's 4 quarry bush leaves, and not mix the two, if the barrels are the same distance from the kitchen?

[Saiko Kila]

I can actually see 3 different ingredients.

That doesn't matter;

It does matter from culinary point of view.

[cyberTripping]

I can actually see 3 different ingredients.

That doesn't matter;

It does matter from culinary point of view.

"You call this a sweetbread roast? It barely qualifies as a tallow biscuit!" -Urist McRamsay

[Orange Wizard]

I have a sudden desire to watch a show about bearded midgets cooking with unusual ingredients.

[Agent_Irons]

I have a sudden desire to watch a show about bearded midgets cooking with unusual ingredients.

Peter dinklage and gordon ramsay as judges. Like chopped, but really hardcore. Like the time they gave them durians, lime jello, off-brand cheetos, and that weird imitation crab meat.

[Larix]

I can actually see 3 different ingredients.

That doesn't matter;

It does matter from culinary point of view.

"Oh? Are you some kind of crazy culinary nabob now? Look, Urist, if you want variety, you got it right here:
- these plump helmets have been boiled until green
- these have been split to toothpick-like splinters on the chopping block
- these have been smacked with a wooden mallet for half an hour (you can't see it, of course, because they're too tough to dent, but we really did)
- and these have been sat on by the cat.
So don't go complaining about lack of variety or insufficiently prepared food. This food is prepared in many varied and exciting ways. The question is if you are prepared for this food."
(P.S. if the last sentence doesn't work, sorry. I don't english very good.)