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[Xinael]

Was there a version of this mod for 43.03, and are there mirrors? I'm still using it due to not wanting to use the dfhack alpha.

[tovRobi]

How can I add weapons and armor for dorfs from some other civilisations? I added them in the entity_default but they cant make them in metalsmith's forge.

[tovRobi]

Sorry, it was my fault, i dont putted it in the proper folder. But why i dont have all items that i maked acesible for dwarfs? One time i cant make gambesons, other time - salet and pants. Every time some random item is missing.

[Nahere]

If you marked them as COMMON, then that means the entity will only sometimes have them. Mark them as FORCED to make sure the entity always has access to them.

[tovRobi]

Thanks!

[Amostubal]

Anyone hear from Stal lately?  Well I was considering updating his gear in the current version of MW.

[Splint]

The last time I heard from him was when I asked him about using his tribal-mode stuff for a tribal society based mod, which is presently kinda stuck, since both I and the other guy working on it stopped working on it when the holidays rolled around last year.

[Amostubal]

The last time I heard from him was when I asked him about using his tribal-mode stuff for a tribal society based mod, which is presently kinda stuck, since both I and the other guy working on it stopped working on it when the holidays rolled around last year.

Well then, I'll considered this abandoned property until he returns, thanks for the info Splint.

[assimilateur]

Apologies for the necro, but in your experience, is this mod enough to mitigate the effect of the over-the-top force translation pass? I'm talking about the stuff where getting hit with copper slashing weapons by goblins while wearing steel plate is just as likely to pulverize your joints or mangle your limbs as if you were hit with blunt weapons.

[Grimlocke]

Don't believe so, the wet newspaper joints are an issue with bodypart size and material properties and largely ignore armor.

My own mod addresses this, but does come with a lot of other stuff included. I'm not aware of any standalone patch for joints.

[assimilateur]

Gotcha, but would ripping the creature, body and material raws from your mod work for this?

[Grimlocke]

Yeah probably, grabbing the material_template changes to body tissues only and the body_default entry for joints should do it. The balance might be wonky, but joints should in any case be less flimsy.

[assimilateur]

Sounds good. I'll try that for my next game then.

[TheCspl]

I have to mention, cloth armor (gambesons and aketons) has been misrepresented in this mod, real gambesons/aketons were actually pretty good armor, capable of stopping arrows from an english longbow, and you would only be able to cut it if your blade was shaving sharp (sharp enough to cleanly cut facial hair), Though, a good thrust would almost certainly pierce through the armor with ease.  The point is, gambesons/aketons in reality are equal to, possibly even better than leather armor, considering the lower amount of restriction caused by cloth that lets you layer large amounts of it.  Furthermore, leather armor was hardly used in a medieval sense, sure, it was used before then, but there is a reason why a medieval soldier would prefer a gambeson over a suit of leather.  Plus, being almost required for metal armor (otherwise the mail would chafe, or you would have almost no protection from blunt strikes) also helped that preference.  My evidence is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODS7ksbBRuE  , as well as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP4wLMmp-8U , andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_yObDjXVQ , and https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3617500337&feature=iv&src_vid=Li_yObDjXVQ&v=CULmGfvYlso , Great mod though, keep it up. 

[Grimlocke]

To be fair, getting soft armor to work properly in Dwarf Fortress is actually somewhat of a pain, DF's simulation of edged weapons cutting through stuff is... questionable.

Also, as far as I know, there hasn't really been much practical testing done on reproductions of actual leather armor / 'cuir bouille' / boiled leather armor. There are no surviving examples that I know of, and artwork and descriptions of the period do mention it but tend not to go into any detail about how it was shaped or produced. As far as we know they served as an early form of rigid armor for the chest and possibly limbs, and would have been used in compliment with mail and cloth.

The question of 'is cloth armor better than leather?' stems from a bit of a misunderstanding in what function leather armor even had, at least in western Europe. Outside of that there were some instances of thick, boiled leather being used in various kinds of lamellar armor coats.

That all said, cloth armor shouldn't be useless, from both a gameplay and historic perspective.