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[Bumber]

7,150 healthy people die each year due to medical mistakes. That's more than seven times the number shot by cops, and over one hundred times those unarmed shot by cops. Maybe you'd like to call for them to face justice, too?

Literally yes, you slug.

Defund the hospitals! Abolish doctors!

[MrRoboto75]

I'll admit, doctors provide a much more convincing masquerade about how they exist to help people, over the police.

[JoshuaFH]

First, do harm.

[hector13]

7,150 healthy people die each year due to medical mistakes. That's more than seven times the number shot by cops, and over one hundred times those unarmed shot by cops. Maybe you'd like to call for them to face justice, too?

Literally yes, you slug.

Defund the hospitals! Abolish doctors!

Doctors are usually kept to their specific branch of medicine, whereas cops appear to be expected (and are woefully under equipped) to deal with things that would be better dealt with by a social or mental health worker rather than someone with a gun.

That’s what defunding the police should mean: taking money away from militarizing them further and giving it to agencies that can do aspects of their job better than they can.

[MorleyDev]

So there's really no such thing as self-defense in those countries?

You can defend yourself in the moment and improvise if needed to defend yourself, you can't use unreasonable force (if they flee you can't chase and continue fighting, for example, because then you are just committing assault), and you can't carry a weapon with the excuse of using it for 'self-defence'. Because that's viewed as carrying a weapon with the intent to use it, which means it's no longer self-defence but mutual provocation.

As for cops not approaching a situation with weapons drawn, that's literally untrue. USA Cops have been caught on their dashcams approaching traffic stops with weapons already drawn for example, aka remember Floyd Dent?

[Bumber]

As for cops not approaching a situation with weapons drawn, that's literally untrue.

I said "every", not "a".

[MorleyDev]

Except the issue isn't that it always happens, the issue is that it happens often enough to be a problem with the way USA police operate that leads to situations needlessly escalating and lives being lost. It shouldn't ever happen that a police officer approaches a 'standard traffic stop' with firearm drawn. That should be an exceptional scenario with exceptional circumstances.

[MrRoboto75]

Imagine if having dead inspection stickers on your car was a life or death situation, not because your car might be unsafe, but because the cop who pulled you over about them is paranoid you might be packing more heat than him.

[MorleyDev]

If a police officer at a traffic stop is so concerned about approaching a car that they feel the need to pre-emptively draw a firearm, they shouldn't be approaching the car at all, but instead calling in support and trailing it.

And if haven't a clear justification for calling in support to help trail the car, then they have no good reason to draw their firearm.

Simply drawing a firearm is an escalation to lethal force. A police officer should not be the one making that escalation, only responding to another doing so. If there isn't a clear escalation to respond to, then they shouldn't escalate. Gun safety 101: Only point a firearm at something you want dead.

Someone simply leaving their car or driving away at a traffic stop is not an escalation to lethal force. That's not even an escalation to physical force by itself (taser or physical detainment). Driving away is report their details and send someone to their house, leaving their car is a "sir, please can you calm down so we can get this sorted out and you can get on with your day".

Failing to respond appropriately means dead civilians or police off the streets because they now have to book someone they could probably have talked into complying with a bit more tact.

[Iduno]

[Bumber]

Did he die of a cocaine overdose? /s

[None]

Good news! I'm not dredging this thread with news that someone's been murdered by cops again.

The podcast "Behind the Bastards" did an episode somewhat recently about how the police use "excited delirium" as an excuse when people die in police custody and how the taser company pushes that narrative (and hires doctors to testify in a barrage of lawsuits against any doctor or coroner that links death to the tasers) and all kinds of other nasty grifty shit. It's fun, in a 'holy cow these are all shitty people' kind of way.

Here's episode one of two on spotify if that's your jam, else it's on apple podcast or iheart or wherever. It's worth the listen if you care or like tangents about bearcats and shilling or how the lead testimonial doctor that taser employs spearheaded a research campaign on the efficacy of subduing police suspects with ketamine vs. other sedatives without the suspect's permission and their subsequent problems breathing, particularly when the suspect is asking for an inhaler for asthma, and how tasers are life-saving tools to stop a person from spontaneously experiencing death due not to police brutality, but to excited delirium in what's called taser therapy. Great for all those times you want to blame the victim.

[delphonso]

Can confirm that this was a frustrating and enlightening dive into the topic.

[nenjin]

Police clearly don't go into every situation with their guns drawn, though. It's when they see someone holding a firearm, or a non-compliant suspect acts in a way that they could be retrieving a firearm, that situations end up needing to be "established" prematurely.

And yet they go into plenty of situations with next to no information and arrive on scene, weapons drawn, and unarmed people die as a result, due to police officer's eagerness to discharge their weapons. We're not talking about your plumber being lazy, or your doctor having faked their way through medical school. We're talking about people we've authorized to make the judgment who gets to live and die. We should not accept this kind of bullshit on any level, that kind of reckless disregard for life, even supposedly in the name of duty, cannot be fucking tolerated if they want an iota of trust from the people they're supposedly protecting.

7,150 healthy people die each year due to medical mistakes. That's more than seven times the number shot by cops, and over one hundred times those unarmed shot by cops. Maybe you'd like to call for them to face justice, too?

I guess we just have malpractice laws for fun then?

But to answer your completely inane comparison directly, if a doctor looked at a patient and with only seconds of actual thinking, decided to ram a fucking scalpel into their heart resulting in their death, then yes, I'd want them prosecuted for that.

[ChairmanPoo]

Hey if those 7000 people were healthy why were they in hospital?