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[SalmonGod]

So is a police officer smashing up someone's house a violent or non-violent act?

Violent, as I made clear not long ago.

What about somebody smashing church windows?

It's pretty obvious where you are going with this, and yes, there are grey areas according to my views of what counts as violence.  Yes, incidents do sometimes take place in association with the behavior of protesters that encroaches on such grey area.  But such incidents are not representative of the vast majority of property destruction or other behaviors by left-wing protesters.  The vast majority of property destruction which happens at protests, even riots, associated with left-wing causes is not of a kind that would directly harm the livelihood of any individual, especially individuals who do not bear some guilt in association with the issue being protested.

[martinuzz]

I don't see the difference between a church window and any other property window.  They're both just windows

[kaijyuu]

When it comes to cultural institutions like churches there can be additional factors like islamophobia.

The problem there is less "a window got smashed" and more "a marginalized group is being intimidated". (note: in most plausible situations considering the context of this thread, christians are not marginalized groups)

[Frumple]

So Portland seems to be popping off pretty hard.

Apparently people don't like it when unmarked vans are kidnapping people off the street and cops et al launch chemical attacks on protesting mothers, among a slew of other things. Who knew

[Iduno]

I don't see the difference between a church window and any other property window.  They're both just windows

Unless it's someone's home.

So Portland seems to be popping off pretty hard.

Apparently people don't like it when unmarked vans are kidnapping people off the street and cops et al launch chemical attacks on protesting mothers, among a slew of other things. Who knew

And every politicians I've seen has been unwilling to fix it. Sometimes you'll see someone like Pelosi saying someone should do something to stop it, while increasing funding for it.

[Zangi]

It'll be nice to see the facade of murrican-democracy-in-name decloaked.  Then we learn to live with it and become more like Russia.

[Rolan7]

So Portland seems to be popping off pretty hard.

Apparently people don't like it when unmarked vans are kidnapping people off the street and cops et al launch chemical attacks on protesting mothers, among a slew of other things. Who knew

Including Portland's government, which is suing the feds over all the... ya know... unmarked agents detaining people.

One of my favorite parts is Portland pointing out that citizens had no way of knowing if they were being kidnapped by actual feds or criminals (insert "why not both" meme).  More generally, they point out that the federal scare tactics dramatically escalated the situation for no benefit.

[misko27]

Ah but as Catch-22 said, they do not need to show you the paperwork justifying anything they happen to be doing if you can't physically prevent them from doing it anyway, or as they more eloquently put it in the book "It says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing."

[Iduno]

Ah but as Catch-22 said, they do not need to show you the paperwork justifying anything they happen to be doing if you can't physically prevent them from doing it anyway, or as they more eloquently put it in the book "It says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing."

This fits too well.

[Iduno]

https://twitter.com/miggsboson/status/1287868017263566849

Cops have really been throwing a tantrum, and are targeting journalists again.

[Rolan7]

This is so obviously illegal that a *federal* judge has issued a temporary restraining order against the Department of Homeland Security and the US Marshal Service to prevent further harm.  Such an order requires that no amount of money could redress the potential harm of continued activity (in this case, chilling of free speech, and maybe the threat of bodily harm I don't remember) and also that the actions be on-their-face illegal.

This is one of those "checks" that's supposed to stop the Executive Branch - but we already saw Oregon (or Portland, can't recall) bring lawsuits over the unidentified agents abducting people, and yet this is happening.  The Judicial branch acts slowly, and the Executive has seemingly no regard for future consequences.

A note about the abductions by the way - from what I heard, few of those grabbed were actually charged.  The clandestine "arrests" would never have held up in court, even if the agents had permission to enforce state laws (which they specifically did not).  It seems comedicaly pointless, so what was the point?  Many are suggesting they were fishing for people to resist and strike federal agents.  Portland even pointed out that protesters would be well within their rights to do so, under the reasonable suspicion that the agents were right-wing agitators or worse with literally just the word "police" stitched on.  But "protesters attack federal agents" would have been good copy.  it's sociopathic.

[Egan_BW]

The executive branch is the one that has guns.

[Reelya]

There was a police shooting in Australia in the news today, but it just serves to show how different things are here. A female police officer shot a guy in the torso because he was stabbing her partner in the face in a surprise attack. They even tried to disarm the guy after the stabbing but he was continuing to bash on the male officer. You read that and you think, well that actually sounds like a reasonable situation where you'd do that, and they didn't exactly take the guy down execution style or anything, aimed for the torso, the way they're actually trained to do. The guy is in hospital. This is national news here, that the police injured someone with a gun in clear self-defense.

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/man-shot-by-police-in-brisbane-after-officer-stabbed-in-the-face/news-story/dc8173ad29dc6b260286dcb27bd25265

[JoshuaFH]

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[Bumber]

Leaked bodycam footage from George Floyd incident.