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[redwallzyl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y7sgZZQ7pw

How the hell is he not guilty as fuck?

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I've seen that a couple of times now, and it makes me angry every time I see it. He wasn't even convicted in court. He was basically just fired from his job. Normally, I feel like I don't have enough information to make some sort of judgement, but this asshole should be hanged publicly.

EDIT: Also this shit was a year ago? WTF.

[redwallzyl]

Grand jury is a terrible idea, there's a reason the British ditched it. the concept is literally century's old and its outdated now.

[Frumple]

Really rather not bring lynchings back into public norms, tbh. That said... shit keeps up during the age of ubiquitous cameras, and people are going to start thinking they have no recourse with the state. More than they already do.

... and when enough folks stop seeing the monopoly on force as legitimate, that's gon' be when things start getting nasty (again).

At least for the time being, hopefully the civil suits are en route and about to tear the guy and his (former) precinct a new asshole. Bar for wrongful death's a fair bit lower than it is for murder or manslaughter. It ain't much, 'specially to the family or the community involved, but it's something.

[SalmonGod]

I was shocked.  The Philando case seemed incredibly clear cut to me.  Even without conviction over the death of their father/husband, its infuriating to me that there are no repercussions for treating the wife & child that way after the incident.  Like "Yeah I just killed your family member in front of you, in what was a completely random act of violence from your perspective.  That makes you a criminal now.  I'm going to point the gun at you next and scream at you, until backup rips you out of the car for me."

The fucking inhuman level of callousness officers show after they shoot someone who did nothing to deserve it is the worst part of this every time.  Makes it really fucking hard not to see them as scum, when they can watch a guy bleed out and go limp in front of then, and they continue being jackasses instead of even a rudimentary effort to slow bleeding or something.

They should not be able to get away with behaving this way.  And if the officers ever showed the slightest hint of concern in the immediate aftermath of these incidents, it would go a long way.

[Strife26]

The law (and letter of the law is the thing that matters for the trial, not whatever standards morality would dictate or the BLM demand of the week) is very happy to go with the cop, based on "I was in fear of my life because I smelled pot and the guy reached for his wallet"

I mean, there's an awfully good look at the way cop shops operate, with the pretext for the felony stop being that the driver had a wide nose like a semi-recent burglar description.

[Playergamer]

lots of people should be hanged publicly.

tbf the correct thing to do according to the police is to say "i'm going to get out of the car so you can take my gun away, and then I will give you my ID occifer"

also tbf, as a white dude, i'm not ever giving my gun to a cop.

[Rolan7]

/drunk
My experience is, on three occasions, planting my hands on the wheel in plain view and waiting for instructions.
My family I just visited was all "NO NO state everything as a question", because they're libertarians.  And maybe they're right.

I'm just saying I wouldn't reach for my fucking pocket-wallet without prompt.  I haven't looked into the most recent incident fully, but I've been consistently disappointed from a family bias of "govt iz ebil". I've been pulled over 3 times and I didn't reach for shit until directed.  It's not that fucking hard.

Pretend for a fucking second that you're the policeperson, and that there's a 1/100 chance the person you pulled over is a desperate felon.  And they suddenly reach for a pocket.

It's not that hard.  Just act slowly, and obviously.
They have lives too, and I think 90% of the cases I've seen *posted here* would have been fine if the suspects were like me.  Scared (yeah, it's scary!), and acted slowly and deliberately.  Just be careful and slow.

[redwallzyl]

Pretend for a fucking second that you're the policeperson, and that there's a 1/100 chance the person you pulled over is a desperate felon.  And they suddenly reach for a pocket.

Then 99 times out of 100 an Innocent civilian dies.

[Rolan7]

Hilarious

[Playergamer]

you guys hear about the off-duty st. louis cop who got shot while cops were searching for three men who opened fire during a pursuit?

that's hilarious.

it isn't actually. everyone is really really lucky he didn't die from that.

[Frumple]

Heard about it, yeah. Seem to recall there being some oddities in reporting regarding exactly when the fellow got shot.

... also yeah, it's really easy to imagine that mindset above. Also something that probably needs to be dealt with before you're given a gun when you're going into a job that's going to involve a lot of people in questionable states of cognizance that don't exactly deserve to be shot. It's paranoid as all hell (the same mindset is applicable to absolutely everyone, regardless as to your job, it's just we kinda' institutionalize non-cops that exhibit it too strongly), but easy to see where it comes from... as well as why it largely shouldn't really be an accepted justification for killing someone. Is, though, both for cops and others, stateside.

[Strife26]

/drunk
My experience is, on three occasions, planting my hands on the wheel in plain view and waiting for instructions.
My family I just visited was all "NO NO state everything as a question", because they're libertarians.  And maybe they're right.

I'm just saying I wouldn't reach for my fucking pocket-wallet without prompt.  I haven't looked into the most recent incident fully, but I've been consistently disappointed from a family bias of "govt iz ebil". I've been pulled over 3 times and I didn't reach for shit until directed.  It's not that fucking hard.

Pretend for a fucking second that you're the policeperson, and that there's a 1/100 chance the person you pulled over is a desperate felon.  And they suddenly reach for a pocket.

It's not that hard.  Just act slowly, and obviously.
They have lives too, and I think 90% of the cases I've seen *posted here* would have been fine if the suspects were like me.  Scared (yeah, it's scary!), and acted slowly and deliberately.  Just be careful and slow.

Well, if you're talking about Castillo, the guy was killed after the cop told him to get his wallet, then shot for it.

[Rolan7]

You know what, I'm still drunk.

Yess.  Clearly the officers shot a black because he was black.
What is "controlling the situation"?  It's just racist cop BS.

It's not like they reacted to an aggressive action, and something horrible happened it's "No Justice", as per thread, right?

Right?
You fuckers would have handled this situation so much better, after a thousand similar incidents.  You would have done it right.

[Frumple]

Like to think so, yes. You can see what transcript is public regarding the incident exactly when it happened, far as I'm aware

Spoiler: Right here (click to show/hide)

9:05:00 p.m. — Castile’s vehicle came to a complete stop.
9:05:15 – 9:05:22 p.m. — Yanez approached Castile’s car on the driver’s side.
9:05:22 – 9:05:38 p.m. — Yanez exchanged greetings with Castile and told him of the brake light problem.
9:05:33 p.m. — St. Anthony Police Officer Joseph Kauser, who had arrived as backup, approached Castile’s car on the passenger’s side.
9:05:38 p.m. — Yanez asked for Castile’s driver’s license and proof of insurance.
9:05:48 p.m. — Castile provided Yanez with his proof of insurance card.
9:05:49 – 9:05:52 p.m. — Yanez looked at Castile’s insurance information and then tucked the card in his pocket.
9:05:52 – 9:05:55 p.m. — Castile told Yanez: “Sir, I have to tell you that I do have a firearm on me.” Before Castile completed the sentence, Yanez interrupted and replied, “Okay” and placed his right hand on the holster of his gun.
9:05:55 – 9:06:02 p.m. — Yanez said “Okay, don’t reach for it, then.” Castile responded: “I’m… I’m … [inaudible] reaching…,” before being again interrupted by Yanez, who said “Don’t pull it out.” Castile responded, “I’m not pulling it out,” and Reynolds said, “He’s not pulling it out.” Yanez screamed: “Don’t pull it out,” and pulled his gun with his right hand. Yanez fired seven shots in the direction of Castile in rapid succession. The seventh shot was fired at
9:06:02 p.m. Kauser did not touch or remove his gun.
9:06:03 – 9:06:04 p.m. — Reynolds yelled, “You just killed my boyfriend!”
9:06:04 – 9:06:05 p.m. — Castile moaned and said, “I wasn’t reaching for it.” These were his last words.
9:06:05 – 9:06:09 p.m. — Reynolds said “He wasn’t reaching for it.” Before she completed her sentence, Yanez screamed “Don’t pull it out!” Reynolds responded. “He wasn’t.” Yanez yelled, “Don’t move! F***!”

Or at least that's what copy and paste picked up from the first source I could find again.

They didn't react to aggressive action, the guy shot a dude trying to comply with orders even as his fellow cop (and everyone else there) said the driver wasn't pulling a gun, breaking with any number of standard practices when dealing with a traffic stop and declared CW in the process. Like, yeah, I'd really like to think I'd be able to avoid doing that, or at least turn in my badge long before I reached the point of it becoming even remotely likely.