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[SalmonGod]

yea and there are times when you need them, but my fear would be it would all end in someone being murdered by them, or beaten, or fake charges.

I think I remember someone here saying "Don't call the police unless you're willing to ruin their life, the situation being that serious." Seems apt.

Also, I think a lot of problems on the local level would be fixed if police recruited locally to the places they're patrolling. Even if for SOME reason, no one of good-enough quality to be an officer lives in that area and wants to join, deputizing residents to patrol the area (I.E. not a full officer but still a paid patrolperson with powers of arrest and on the payroll), the drop in quality would (in my view) be offset by the gains from having an actual resident who people know and (hopefully) trust be the face of the law. Not to mention if it's a particularly gang/crime/meth-labs/etc-ridden area, there might be good social effects? See it as a way out/up, maybe. Legitimate paycheque opportunity if nothing else... I don't know. Just ideas.

That was me.  Something I've repeated a few times in my time here.

Honestly, along that same premise, it should just be standard and strictly enforced protocol that situations are assessed as much as possible before engaging a suspect.  This includes identifying the suspect and calling up or summoning associations to guide de-escalation efforts, and provide general information about the suspect's personality/mannerisms/conditions.  There should be no excuse for officers not to know for example that the suspect has a heart condition, is asthmatic, has a concealed carry license, is a veteran with PTSD, etc before engaging them, unless they're actively running around shooting people and there's no time for a little bit of research.

that is pretty much what they do right now. :/

Yeah, I meant unless the suspect is being actively violent, and immediate action is necessary to prevent them from hurting people.  That's the only scenario I recognize that doesn't allow for situations to be approached with patience.

[smeeprocket]

problem is, the police perceive that as being the case most of the time if the subject is black.

Take the testimony of the police officer with regards to Brown. He perceived him as this hulking raging brute. He probably was legitimately scared, because that is how he sees black men, always dangerous and violent.

[Twi]

Ah yes, Wilson's defense. Thing is, if you take it at face value, Wilson probably shouldn't have been on the force to begin with! I find it hard to believe that's the overall cause for this. Though it does tie in nicely to the whole 'waging war on drugs/terror = waging war on citizens and doing very badly at it' idea. If that's a thing outside my own head.

[SalmonGod]

Apparently Eric Garner's daughter has been posting personal info on twitter about officers that were present at her father's death.

[Xantalos]

Unsure if should dissapprove. Probably.

[smeeprocket]

Apparently Eric Garner's daughter has been posting personal info on twitter about officers that were present at her father's death.

doxxing the police. Probably wouldn't be my route, but it's one way to get through your grief. Of course, they will arrest her, even though no one else has been arrested in the history of ever for doxxing others.

Maybe when they shoot the next black victim they can claim they were an assassin after them after she revealed their personal info. Who didn't have a gun...but could bend lead pipes with his or her fists probably.

[SalmonGod]

Apparently Eric Garner's daughter has been posting personal info on twitter about officers that were present at her father's death.

Maybe when they shoot the next black victim they can claim they were an assassin after them after she revealed their personal info. Who didn't have a gun...but could bend lead pipes with his or her fists probably.

Suspects always have a gun if the police want them to

[Xantalos]

Well shit, if I hadn't already decided I'm never going to the States again that would seal the deal.

[smeeprocket]

oh wait, people have been arrested for doxxing. In the case of the steubenville rape trial, a kid doxxed the rapists, and was looking at potentially more prison time than they got by far.

[Xantalos]

Doxxing?

[smirk]

Releasing someone's personal info onto the internet, usually real name, address, social security number, or what-have-you. From "documents" -> "docs" -> "dox", verb "doxxing".

[smeeprocket]

Doxxing?

revealing personal info like phone, address, place of work, etc. Sometimes bank account and SS numbers also get slipped, though I don't think that is happening in the two instances mentioned here.

MRAs really like to do it to feminists that speak out, especially feminist gamers, then it usually does involve SS and bank account numbers. If a gamer male says the exact same thing, they literally will not dox him at all. They insult him, but never dox.

It's not really a very moral tactic because of the implication that those details could lead to potential risks for the person doxxed. Like death, or rape, or beatings. I don't actually approve of it, I'm just having a hard time feeling sympathy when it happens to rapists (Steubenville) and murderers (police.)

[SaberToothTiger]

Smeep, why or how did you bring feminism into play? That is not related directly and is just asking for some warm fire.

[smeeprocket]

Smeep, why or how did you bring feminism into play? That is not related directly and is just asking for some warm fire.

because that is where I see it most used. I was giving context for doxxing. Like, thinking back, those circumstances and someone doxxing racists were the only instances I recall.

[Helgoland]

I don't actually approve of it, I'm just having a hard time feeling sympathy when it happens to rapists (Steubenville) and murderers (police.)

And that's why we have laws and courts instead of trial by popular demand: It's wrong regardless of who it happens to. If you start undermining this principle you get into alll kinds of trouble ideologically...