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Author Topic: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice  (Read 428267 times)

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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #840 on: December 12, 2014, 04:46:25 pm »

I'm surprised you're so willing to give a hate group that should be designated a terrorist group the benefit of the doubt that they are objective arbiters of the law, then. So don't blame me if I direct you at the fact that bias doesn't have to constitute murdering minorities outright.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #841 on: December 12, 2014, 04:48:38 pm »

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right well, the police should be driven by ethics and morality since that is important to our society. Regardless of whether you prefer the ayn rand route or not.

edit: and, you're concerned about singling out a white kkk member in the police but not black people being slaughtered by said police or any sort of discrimination? I think that's a bigger problem and the only possible motivation for seeing it otherwise would be placing more worth on the white cop.
Errr... yea, these particular guys from the Florida article havn't done any of that?  I don't know the details of how they conducted their career, the article does not mention them being in any mud other then the affiliation...  Or are they already assumed to be guilty of doing corrupt cop things in the future if they had stuck around?

look, how hard is this to understand?

If you are a member of NAMBLA, regardless of whether or not you are a convicted sex offender, it is a poor idea to allow you around children.

This is basic logic, and based on another post by you I am starting to feel that this is an issue with you and other races, as opposed to an issue with you just being obtuse.

Police officers need to be held to a high standard and need to be objective. One can not be a part of the KKK and do that.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #842 on: December 12, 2014, 05:01:44 pm »

The problem isn't being part of an advocacy group, no matter the message.  Cops are allowed to have awful opinions.  The KKK is not just an advocacy group, it's directly responsible for a lot of criminal activity.  So by being a member, the cop was showing clear disregard for the law he's supposed to protect.

I wouldn't expect a PETA member to be allowed, either, since that group is also actively involved with criminal activity (of a very different sort, but still).
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« Reply #843 on: December 12, 2014, 05:07:28 pm »

Personally I think the greater reason to not involve KKKops in law enforcement is the history of that organization and its continued message being in direct contradiction to the safety of U.S. Citizens whom the system is ostensibly meant to protect and the crowning cherry on a cake of contemptible racism in our policing. The thread is about cops getting away with murdering black people but having KKK members is practically advertising it. That's another layer of horror to the people being targeted.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #844 on: December 12, 2014, 05:08:25 pm »

The problem isn't being part of an advocacy group, no matter the message.  Cops are allowed to have awful opinions.  The KKK is not just an advocacy group, it's directly responsible for a lot of criminal activity.  So by being a member, the cop was showing clear disregard for the law he's supposed to protect.

I wouldn't expect a PETA member to be allowed, either, since that group is also actively involved with criminal activity (of a very different sort, but still).

Not that I would defend PETA, but I don't think they actually engage in criminal activity. that's more of an ALF and ELF thing.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #845 on: December 12, 2014, 05:11:58 pm »

I wouldn't want a drug dealer to be a cop, either, and I don't actually have tremendous moral objections to selling, say, marijuana. I mean, tons of objections to the whole murder and extortion and whatever else that tends to go along with it, but if we look at a person who was a perfectly decent human being who happened to sell weed on the side, I'd still not be okay with a law enforcement position. That the KKK is an inherently monstrous organization is just that much more reason for wanting these people out of a job that requires absolute dedication to service, neutrality, and fairness.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #847 on: December 12, 2014, 05:36:49 pm »

The KKK may be considered an almost-there terror organization, but it is not officially one.  Also, I'd reckon membership would drop like a brick if it does get classified as a terror organization.

Either way, I guess I got nothing left to contribute.

For reference, I'm not white.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #848 on: December 12, 2014, 05:51:24 pm »

The KKK may be considered an almost-there terror organization, but it is not officially one.  Also, I'd reckon membership would drop like a brick if it does get classified as a terror organization.

Either way, I guess I got nothing left to contribute.

For reference, I'm not white.

For reference that's irrelevant.

I don't think the KKK cares if they are categorized as a terrorist group, inasmuch as it wouldn't decrease membership.

That's all irrelevant though because the entire history and purpose of the KKK revolves around violence against minorities and oppressing them.

Like seriously, I don't understand how you are even trying to argue this point. Like honestly, who gives a shit if some KKK dude doesn't get a job as a cop even though the KKK totally aren't a -real- terrorist group? I know I don't. I'm much more interested in a safe, law-abiding society, and that includes the people that uphold the laws.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #852 on: December 15, 2014, 06:20:14 pm »

Y'know, I used to be an advocate on here for law enforcement agencies given my working relationship with the Justice Department. I really just can't find it in myself to defend any law enforcement anymore. It's just becoming too widespread and too clearly evident that the entire LEO culture is drastically fucked-up.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #853 on: December 16, 2014, 12:22:45 pm »

For a change of pace, something less violent and from the UK, but still sleazy as hell.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/15/police-university-list-fracking-debate
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #854 on: December 16, 2014, 12:32:47 pm »

It's fucked up, but also a natural consequence of laws that give them the right to treat any and all political activists as terrorists and ignore normal legal procedures when dealing with them.
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