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[Mictlantecuhtli]

What's worse is the local police have no idea who they are.

[Aklyon]

What's worse is the local police have no idea who they are.

Undercover spies then?
_{probably not any better.}

[Baffler]

What's worse is the local police have no idea who they are.

The irony would be delicious if a provocateur gets beaten senseless by uninformed officers who noticed people were following their lead.

So here's something... I just found this and haven't had time to read through the circumstances, but this is what is being reported on the surface.

Two undercover cops were ousted while trying to instigate a crowd of protesters into looting.  When discovered, one officer responded by pulling a gun on the crowd...

Well, that's... a thing. Huh.

_why

Because some police don't seem to knnow anything BUT escalation.

And so people write off the protesters as opportunistic looters instead of hearing what they have to say, which runs counter to the interests of the police.

[Phmcw]

Does any one else get that annoying feeling of wanting to do something, but knowing they can't? Because I'm getting that right now.

Organize local political discussion group and try to have a regular attendance. You should focus on getting regular blue and white collar workers above anything else. Get the feeling of the general sentiment as accurately as possible and try to spot the issues where a mximum of peoples have a common group. Phase out divisive issues and try to keep it up for a few year and organize local actions. Write everything that is said and any decision taken.

Once you know how to organise that, seed that model to cities of the same state. Elect president of the local council and arrange reunions every three month. After that try seeding it to the other states.

Keep that organisation mostly apolitical but denounce politicans when they slip, never endorse them.

[Leafsnail]

Clearly we should let farmers and fishermen get away with murder every now and then, afterall they have dangerous jobs.

On a sidenote: I heard that after Hiroshima the first reaction of the Japanese High Command was "We need that as well!". Even obliterating a whole city was not enough to get them off the war path.

They already understood the concept of atomic weapons and indeed had a program for them so that sounds like complete bullshit to me.  And in any case by arguing that they'd never surrender ever (there's a lot of historical debate over this and I don't think it's productive to have it here) you're pretty much defeating your own argument because they did actually surrender in reality.

[Helgoland]

My point was that when even obliterating a whole city wasn't sufficient, just bombing a fairly empty spot - as was suggested previously - would've done even less.

Looking back, that was suggested a fair bit of time before my post, so the connection may not have been clear.

[SalmonGod]

Does any one else get that annoying feeling of wanting to do something, but knowing they can't? Because I'm getting that right now.

Organize local political discussion group and try to have a regular attendance. You should focus on getting regular blue and white collar workers above anything else. Get the feeling of the general sentiment as accurately as possible and try to spot the issues where a mximum of peoples have a common group. Phase out divisive issues and try to keep it up for a few year and organize local actions. Write everything that is said and any decision taken.

Once you know how to organise that, seed that model to cities of the same state. Elect president of the local council and arrange reunions every three month. After that try seeding it to the other states.

Keep that organisation mostly apolitical but denounce politicans when they slip, never endorse them.

I'm barely able to get 5 people together for a roleplay session on a weekend once in a while.  I don't know anybody who actually cares about these issues who isn't too busy trying to keep their lives in order to commit to something like this.  This is that other major obstacle to change that I mentioned before.  Americans are horrendously overburdened.

[Bohandas]

Clearly we should let farmers and fishermen get away with murder every now and then, afterall they have dangerous jobs.

On a sidenote: I heard that after Hiroshima the first reaction of the Japanese High Command was "We need that as well!". Even obliterating a whole city was not enough to get them off the war path.

They already understood the concept of atomic weapons and indeed had a program for them so that sounds like complete bullshit to me.  And in any case by arguing that they'd never surrender ever (there's a lot of historical debate over this and I don't think it's productive to have it here) you're pretty much defeating your own argument because they did actually surrender in reality.

They were were prepared to fight us to the last man (or thereabouts), but The BOMB demonstrated that we could simply wipe them out without actually fighting them.

[Sheb]

Bullshit. Bombing cities to dust was part of the US doctrine in WW2. And not only the US. Burning cities to demoralize the enemy was also attempted by the Nazis. The US just had a new, better toy for doing so.

[Bohandas]

Bullshit. Bombing cities to dust was part of the US doctrine in WW2. And not only the US. Burning cities to demoralize the enemy was also attempted by the Nazis. The US just had a new, better toy for doing so.

Yes, but if the city isn't destroyed all at once there's a chance they might be able to mobilize defenses. The last thing you want to do during a war is get drawn into a fight.

[Bohandas]

So here's something... I just found this and haven't had time to read through the circumstances, but this is what is being reported on the surface.

Two undercover cops were ousted while trying to instigate a crowd of protesters into looting.  When discovered, one officer responded by pulling a gun on the crowd...

Spoiler: Also... (click to show/hide)

The inherent danger of working in law enforcement is constantly used as an excuse for everything, but it's been statistically shown for years that compared to many other lines of work, it's not actually so dangerous...

Good god, that's almost straight out of Les Miserables

[nenjin]

I guess that's what happens when law enforcement considers itself an institution separate from everything else. It starts doing all sorts of unsavory things to protect itself. Like trying to incite riots/looting to create the excuse to clear them with force.

[RedKing]

Kinda like building illegal settlements in occupied territories.

...yeah, I went there.


If there's one thing that I think this is all revealing, it's that any talk of this being a "post-racial" country is total and utter bullshit. The blatant racism coming out of the woodwork now is just jaw-dropping. The comments sections on the local news stations and whatnot are just....wow. I think a terrifyingly large number of people are actually gleefully looking forward to seeing just how many more black people can get killed.

[Helgoland]

Kinda like building illegal settlements in occupied territories.

Shoo, shoo! *beats RedKing with broom*

[Rolan7]

Kinda like building illegal settlements in occupied territories.

...yeah, I went there.


If there's one thing that I think this is all revealing, it's that any talk of this being a "post-racial" country is total and utter bullshit. The blatant racism coming out of the woodwork now is just jaw-dropping. The comments sections on the local news stations and whatnot are just....wow. I think a terrifyingly large number of people are actually gleefully looking forward to seeing just how many more black people can get killed.

It's the internet...  People exaggerate to get noticed.  The racists in my family don't want anyone to get killed.  They think the other races are stealing jobs, and predisposed to crime.  Which is due to the BS they hear from Fox.  (They're right about certain minorities statistically *committing* more crimes, but that's because of impoverished racially homogenous communities with a lack of stability).

There obviously are people who straight-up want to kill other races.  People like that exist *everywhere*.  We've abolished and *reversed* the incredibly racist laws which literally oppressed minorities.  Nowadays the American taxpayer pays a considerable amount of money towards affirmative action, trying to undo the damage of the past.  That causes a lot of resentment (*I* never oppressed anyone, says the average Joe) but it's necessary.

So many race-based scholarships.  Even in corporations we have minority quotas.  Is that a fair solution for anybody?  Nope, but it's also necessary.  Because these unfair, hamfisted actions are the only way to eventually achieve actual racial parity.

White Americans are literally paying to make this happen, and a lot aren't happy about it.  But it's happening, and it's far different from the *actual* oppressive systems we had in place in the SIXTIES.  America has come a long way in a very short time, and is actively funding its minority population at the moment.

Of course, that runs counter to the race-blind machinations of the neocons in the 1%, who are destroying the middle class and upward mobility.  But at least we're all going to be poor together.