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[Helgoland]

They were already in surrender negotiations, an invasion wasn't really on the cards.

Did you know that no purple hearts have been produced since 1945? The ones the Iraq veterans got were produced back then, in anticipation of the most horrific invasion in human history. They lasted through Korea, through Vietnam... They made more than half a million.

And that's for wounded soldiers, it does not include dead ones.


On a sidenote: I heard that after Hiroshima the first reaction of the Japanese High Command was "We need that as well!". Even obliterating a whole city was not enough to get them off the war path.

[Phmcw]

Japan made the worst move I've heard of. Attacking America and its allies at the time was incredibely suicidal, all America has to do was to produce more ships and planes than them, and crush them with their numeric, industrial and raw material supply superiority. Nothing short of a total German domination of Eurasia could have saved them. And Germany postition was very precarious from the start : their victory against France and England alone was incredible and unexpected at the time.

[Helgoland]

What victory against England?

[smjjames]

Japan made the worst move I've heard of. Attacking America and its allies at the time was incredibely suicidal, all America has to do was to produce more ships and planes than them, and crush them with their numeric, industrial and raw material supply superiority. Nothing short of a total German domination of Eurasia could have saved them. And Germany postition was very precarious from the start : their victory against France and England alone was incredible and unexpected at the time.

What victory against England?

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This. What even are you talking about phmcw.

[Phmcw]

They crushed the expeditonary force .

[RedKing]

Attacking the US was a gamble for Japan. Many in the IJN knew this and were not supportive of the idea. Unfortunately the main power in the ruling clique was with the IJA. Yamamoto Isoroku famously promised Tojo that he could give Japan complete uncontested dominance of the Pacific for six months, and that he couldn't promise anything after that. The Battle of Midway was just over six months after Pearl Harbor.

The idea wasn't completely stupid. America was strongly isolationist and had a small, under equipped and poorly trained army. It had a potent navy, however. The thought was to deprive them of that navy (which according to prewar schools of thought, was centered around the battleship) and force the US into peace negotiations.

Pearl Harbor did exactly that. Its a testament to the USN that they adapted and developed carrier warfare doctrines in such a short time. And no one expected the whole country to go into full war mobilization the way it did.

But why exactly are we discussing this in a thread about cops shooting unarmed citizens?

[smjjames]

No idea how we even got to this thread derail RedKing.

[Sheb]

US Police Sucks => US Sucks => Nuking Japan is an historical example of US Sucking => Pearl Harbor

[smjjames]

US Police Sucks => US Sucks => Nuking Japan is an historical example of US Sucking => Pearl Harbor

=>cue the US going into rage mode, hulking out and going full on at Japan.

Well okay, it's an oversimplification and somewhat overdramatization..

[Bohandas]

No, it was more like,

American Police State => Patriot Act and 9/11 => Previous times America has been attacked on home soil (ie. Pearl Harbor) => what we did afterwards

[Descan]

Yeah, I think this de-rail was my fault, I'm the one who brought up the "Well, you know what happened LAST time..."

[SalmonGod]

So here's something... I just found this and haven't had time to read through the circumstances, but this is what is being reported on the surface.

Two undercover cops were ousted while trying to instigate a crowd of protesters into looting.  When discovered, one officer responded by pulling a gun on the crowd...

Spoiler: Also... (click to show/hide)

The inherent danger of working in law enforcement is constantly used as an excuse for everything, but it's been statistically shown for years that compared to many other lines of work, it's not actually so dangerous...

[Darvi]

Is it any coincidence that most of these are also DF jobs?

[smjjames]

Farming is a pretty safe job for dwarves IMO.

[Twi]

So here's something... I just found this and haven't had time to read through the circumstances, but this is what is being reported on the surface.

Two undercover cops were ousted while trying to instigate a crowd of protesters into looting.  When discovered, one officer responded by pulling a gun on the crowd...

Well, that's... a thing. Huh.

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