Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Lagslayer]

Posting to watch the god-forsaken shitstorm.

[Descan]

BurnedToast, I'm... not sure what kind of robbers you interact with, but I don't get your point there? Like, why would someone who *just committed a crime* decide "Hey, let's fuck with the cops. Especially since I'm still holding the stuff I stole! GREAT IDEA 2014!"

Even assuming he stole anything/committed a crime, which is... not really a good assumption to make, not as a given.

[Moghjubar]

They're calling for a Black Friday boycott, in which I will be taking part.

+1

Black Friday is nuts, I already boycott it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_Nothing_Day

[TamerVirus]

At my budget level, buy nothing day happens multiple times a week!

[DJ]

Thing is, rioting isn't even the worst that can happen. If the conditions that led to the riots persist for long enough, I expect full-blown terrorism.

[Phmcw]

Called it. There was no way he'd get indicted given the current state of America's exigence toward its police. That cop acted accordingly to his doctrine and is innocent.


The thing is, you cannot blame him, and I pity America's cops. Their work conditions are horrible and their work is hopeless. The only way to go forward is to stop the bullshit, admit race isn't relevant (even within privilege theory) and GODDAM FUND PULIC SCHOOLS. Also making work less of a chore : my previous boss told me that one of his problem with doing buisness in America was the very high turnover due to poor work conditions for low skill jobs. And peoples here think twice (or trice) before working at an "American style" company because of the overwork.


Make a society worth living in, and peoples will get more peaceful.

[Helgoland]

my previous boss told me that one of his problem with doing buisness in America was the very high turnover due to poor work conditions for low skill jobs.

I heard a similar thing from my sister's boyfriend about a manufacturer of automotive parts: They opened a factory in America, but they couldn't geet educated workers - it's rather specialized work after all. And educating workers themselves was not an option because as soon as a worker had finished a course he'd run off to a competitor for $.25 extra per hour.
I saw an interesting link in the terrified thread: Maybe all that America needs is a little bit of nudging toward the collectivist end of the scale.

[smirk]

The thing is, you cannot blame him, and I pity America's cops.

Nopenope. I can empathize (if not sympathize) with Wilson if I try, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be blamed. He panicked in a situation he was trained and paid to be able to handle, and his panic ended up killing a person. Shit like that deserves consequences, but our police are set up as warrior-heroes for some reason and don't see repercussions. There's a lot of things that need correcting in American society, and the police forces are right up there in that list.

[Phmcw]

He panicked in a situation he was trained and paid to be able to handle,

Why was he answering an emregency alone? Also trained? America's cop training is a joke, you can see the result everyday. Their shooting is horrible desescalation deosn't seems to be a concept they understand, they operate alone on dangerous situation all the time (I never saw a cop alone in any remotely tense situation in Belgium),...


They may be seen as warrior heroes in the US , but they look like clueless, undertained, understaffed, overworked, undercared for (psychologically) from here.

[DemonOfWrath]

In the context of these riots that sprung up, does it honestly even matter whether or not the guy is guilty or innocent? It seems like lots of people were set on the fact that he's guilty from the start of this whole thing months ago, and any verdict that didn't end up in him being jailed was going to cause a riot regardless of the (legal or otherwise) truth.

I'll freely admit I'm not american or following this rather closely (I know the general details, but not the fine ones), but in the case the cop is innocent it appears like a horrible lose-lose situation of imprison him unjustly or cause riots.

[Cheeetar]

So, this is Darren Wilson's account on what happened and why he did what he did. Note: Not an 'objective' source. The interview the article is essentially recounting in a shortened form is here.

[Phmcw]

That's... a perfectly normal agression story. Nothing make sense, you have no idea why you've been attacked, and at the start you have trouble defending yourself. Exactly the same weird feeling as my own when I was attacked. One second he was swinging, the next he's talking the next we're fighting again, all because I gave a "weird look".

[Owlbread]

If that police officer was only following procedures and regulations and has done absolutely nothing wrong in the eyes of the law then there is something very wrong with the procedures and laws. He is a murderer - he could have used pepper spray and he didn't need to pursue him. I think it helps to count out on your fingers up to 12, saying the word "bang" to get an impression of what he did to that boy.

But that grand jury verdict in the context of the terrible living conditions and violence in African American communities just confirms to me that in the United States, just like in London, a black life is worth less than a white life.

[Phmcw]

If that police officer was only following procedures and regulations and has done absolutely nothing wrong in the eyes of the law then there is something very wrong with the procedures and laws.

He is a murderer.

Read his account : he's been subject to a violent agression from someone who was behaving erratically before (roberry). There IS something very wrong with the procedures and laws, though. Just the fact that he was alone in his car is unbelivable.

[Owlbread]

Read his account : he's been subject to a violent agression from someone who was behaving erratically before (roberry). There IS something very wrong with the procedures and laws, though. Just the fact that he was alone in his car is unbelivable.

I have read his account and watched his interview. Based on that I concluded he was a murderer.