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[SOLDIER First]

But, I mean, the officer feared for his life, so it’s conpletely justified. Maybe the suspect shouldn’t have been committing a crime if he didn’t want to be murdered.

_{i hope i don’t have to say /s}

[JoshuaFH]

Future crimes that will result in surprise beatings and chokings: Only leaving a 10% tip, not returning your shopping cart, squeezing the toothpaste tube from the middle, etcetera and so on.

[redwallzyl]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/05/599711119/nyc-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-man-believing-he-had-a-gun

Yet another unfortunate mentally ill individual.

[Baffler]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/05/599711119/nyc-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-man-believing-he-had-a-gun

Yet another unfortunate mentally ill individual.

From the looks of it he brought that upon himself. Perhaps intentionally. I don't believe the responding officers were unjustified in believing that the man raising a gun-shaped metal something or other at them while taking the Weaver stance was prepared to shoot them.

[Doomblade187]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/05/599711119/nyc-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-man-believing-he-had-a-gun

Yet another unfortunate mentally ill individual.

From the looks of it he brought that upon himself. Perhaps intentionally. I don't believe the responding officers were unjustified in believing that the man raising a gun-shaped metal something or other at them while taking the Weaver stance was prepared to shoot them.

This one does have that factor, but the officers didn't try and get him to drop it first. That said, this case is likely going to come to nothing for the reasons you mentioned.

[SaberToothTiger]

The shooting was tragic, but I'd say it was justified. The police had received multiple repoorts of a man pointing something that looked like a gun at people and when they arrive at the scene they are aimed at. There's no time to recognise that a metal pipe pointed at you is a pipe and not a gun when you only have miliseconds to react. The man shot was clearly of a disturbed mind and it was his behaviour that caused this.

[redwallzyl]

The shooting was tragic, but I'd say it was justified. The police had received multiple repoorts of a man pointing something that looked like a gun at people and when they arrive at the scene they are aimed at. There's no time to recognise that a metal pipe pointed at you is a pipe and not a gun when you only have miliseconds to react. The man shot was clearly of a disturbed mind and it was his behaviour that caused this.

Although apparent know to the community. He should have, in a sensible country, have gotten help before tragedy happened.

[SalmonGod]

[scriver]

Ah yes, damn those white supremacists, wanting you to keep your noise level to a reasonable level!

I wonder what you would think of an article like that if it was written the other way around, Salmon. Now, I'm definitely on the side of that one should do in Rome, so I totally see where they're coming from. But usually when that kind of arguments are made people like you respond by holding their nose and making thinly veiled accusations of racisms.

[SalmonGod]

I don't agree that calling the police on black people is always a knowing, intentional act of white supremacy.  The writing is a little more aggressive than I'd like. 

What I agree with is that cultural history of white paranoia towards black people, coupled with the structure of law enforcement, turns it into a white supremacist institution.  You don't need to have consciously racist intentions for this whole thing to function that way.  When a white person moves into a black neighborhood and calls the police on something that no one else in the locality is batting an eyelash at, they're being blind to their neighbor's situation and recklessly endangering their lives for petty reasons.

Wanting people to keep noise at a considerate level is not unreasonable, but the writing also addresses that... go talk to them.  And if that doesn't work, you're still either ignorant or sociopathic if you think noise complaints are worth calling in police, who are all too likely to kill the offender.  And as these things keep happening and turning into an increasingly intense and widespread public debate, that benefit of the doubt regarding ignorance gets used up.

[Rolan7]

This home (first one I've owned) is in a ~3/4 black neighborhood, and I've had very little reason to call the police.  I've been annoyed by someone working on his noisy truck, but his color has nothing to do with it, and I'd certainly talk to him directly first.  A few times. 

I'm not sure what I'm saying, except that "predominantly black neighborhood" doesn't have to mean "impoverished area where narking breaks the social construct".  I love living here.  There's rule of law and good people.

It's a lot better than the dead factory town I escaped to from my parents, originally (basically all white).  Or the evenly-split white-mexican-black community, on the edge of a liberal college town, where like half the people were druggies on disability.

Or so my brother said.  I'm having better luck making friends here, than there.

[TamerVirus]

And how do we know the 3 callers were white?
I know the transcripts were released, but was the audio?
The video shows he was pointing the pipe at people indiscriminately.

[Descan]

the point about race wasn't "only white people can possibly do this to black people," but "when white people start gentrifying neighbourhoods, especially black ones, this happens." And "when this kind of thing happens, it's often because of a white person gentrifying in a black neighbourhood."

it doesn't mean that this is ONLY a racial thing (it's also a class thing) and it doesn't mean an upper-middle class black man couldn't do the same thing in a poor white neighbourhood (... I guess. I'm having trouble picturing that ending any way but good in America, though. especially Certain States...)

but thinking it's *only* a class thing and that race never enters into it is a knee-jerk 'anti-SJW' response and ignores a very important facet of the phenomenon

like, trends exist, guys. And a contra-trend event doesn't mean that the trend suddenly stops, so going "but it's not ALWAYS that way!" as if that is some sort of argument against it, is just sticking your head in the sand...

[Sheb]

True, but you need to establish the trend first. This text point out a single event and construe it as a trend.

[redwallzyl]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/14/602556973/starbucks-police-and-mayor-weigh-in-on-controversial-arrest-of-2-black-men-in-ph
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/15/602598119/black-teenager-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions

Here we go again.