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[Xantalos]

There's that one old guy running on 'guys rich people run everything and it sucks' so that might kinda tie into making getting shot by police less likely than getting hit by a raindrop.

[IronyOwl]

The problem is that it's usually framed as a racial issue and rolled wholesale into the usual partisan battle lines. There's no particular We Won't Kill You For No Reason platform, just new variations of the Racist Murder Is Extra Wrong You Conservative Fucks and Sure Protecting Criminals Is A Fantastic Idea You Liberal Twits chants.

[Xantalos]

The rhetoric has unfortunately devolved into the type of repeatable drivel that can be excessively shared on Facebook by that one politically active old person in the family, it's true.

[Loud Whispers]

Are there any movements within the police themselves? There must at least be some hope surely

[Xantalos]

There's the occasional female officer suing her department for long-term sexual harassment.

[IronyOwl]

The version I usually hear is that the system is set up to make "good" cops largely ineffective at doing anything about "bad" cops, so there's some resentment and disapproval from the lower ranks that doesn't particularly do anything and often can't be safely expressed. That's just the narrative I hear when it comes up, though, and I have no idea what the numbers are or are supposed to be. I've not heard of any organized movements or statements proper from the police on that side.

It's also worth noting that the problem seems to fluctuate quite a bit regionally. My impression is that the places where it's really bad tend to, not surprisingly, be the kinds of places that are shitholes for a lot of other reasons as well.

[Loud Whispers]

There's the occasional female officer suing her department for long-term sexual harassment.

Though this is not America, our TFL (transport for London) had a recent embarrassment due to loads of sexual harassment claims. They set up an anti-sexual harassment department to sort out the mess, only it surfaced now that people are complaining of sexual harassment from the anti-sexual harassment department now.

The version I usually hear is that the system is set up to make "good" cops largely ineffective at doing anything about "bad" cops, so there's some resentment and disapproval from the lower ranks that doesn't particularly do anything and often can't be safely expressed. That's just the narrative I hear when it comes up, though, and I have no idea what the numbers are or are supposed to be. I've not heard of any organized movements or statements proper from the police on that side.
It's also worth noting that the problem seems to fluctuate quite a bit regionally. My impression is that the places where it's really bad tend to, not surprisingly, be the kinds of places that are shitholes for a lot of other reasons as well.

Might be worth checking a LEO forum or something for their opinion and for the stats on it all

[Sheb]

A lot of it is just bad institutions too. The PDs that are very trigger-happy tends to be those lacking internal affaires departments.

[SalmonGod]

Lawyer tells a story about defending a young black male against false accusations

[Helgoland]

Why can't he sue the cop for defamation/wrongful accusation/whatever? There's got to be a defense against this kind of shit.

[SalmonGod]

I assume it's because pressing those charges would be crazy expensive, and they're already in the hole for the defense.  That's generally how more powerful institutions get away with preying on vulnerable individuals in the U.S. 

I know people who have been blatantly screwed over by schools, employers, etc, and taken their cases to a lawyer... only to be told by the lawyer "Yeah, you've got a very strong case here that you would definitely win....... but this organization would easily draw out the court process to cost you shitloads of money and years of your life.  It's probably best for you to just move on."

[Bauglir]

In a world where you have to pay so much for legal representation*, equality before the law is kind of a fucking joke, yeah.

*And I don't just mean the lawyer's fees - court costs, time, and so on are all part of it.

[Sebastian2203]

Reading just few pages of this thread, about the police abuse...
made me feel very bad about U.S.

I now kinda understand when certain people hate police.
Good thing I do not live in the U.S.
Good old middle-Europe...

EDIT: I say this even thought I know it´s maybe the same, if not worse here... *weeps in the corner*

[SquatchHammer]

Even mail carriers are not safe....

[smjjames]

Even mail carriers are not safe....

Sounds like the officers should be given a summons for disorderly conduct, not the mailman.....