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[DG]

That's very bad in many ways. 

[scriver]

I know I say this a lot in threads like these, but; I don't even know what to say.

[quamzie]

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I'm not.  I know they were effective.  But they're even more effective now.  Persons of interest can even be identified before they become significant, without employing any footwork.  20th century methods could mostly only deal with existing threats.  21st century methods are about preventing threats from ever developing.  This is my point.  MLK would have had a two foot thick FBI file put together on him a short while after rising to the status of prominent regional figure, and steps taken at that point to keep close track of him.  A future MLK today has 10x as much data on them that is already assembled before they're ever close to becoming anyone significant, and tracking a person electronically is done at will.
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During early 30s In french intelligence folder on Hitler was something like : low probability of political success, threat to the france political interests excluded, danger level low. There is an always opportunity of intelligence systems failing like that, I suppose.

[LordSlowpoke]

i spent like five seconds googling that, and the only thing i came up with is a file from 1924 that said something along the lines of "good demagogue, failed miserably at putsch"

hit me up with a source i'm interested

[quamzie]

i spent like five seconds googling that, and the only thing i came up with is a file from 1924 that said something along the lines of "good demagogue, failed miserably at putsch"

hit me up with a source i'm interested

Some  documentary on Hitler. Googling it did not find anything, especially said report. Seems, that it was foolish not to google it first.

[Zangi]

Don't worry, NSA will go even deeper, where even the law cannot touch them. 

Because of them terrorists everywhere and don't you dare stop thinking about the children.

[SalmonGod]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Glowcat]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-youth-jail-20150513-story.html

While the failure to support education and continued emphasis on criminalizing and punishment is something that should change, it doesn't sound like it's a terrible thing when compared to the status quo alternative of housing them in adult facilities.

[wierd]

That kind of argument is specious rationalization.

It is like stating that having solid feces on you is better than having runny diarrhea on you, because it is easier to wash out of the clothes. How about NOT HAVING SHIT ON YOU-- that's the real goal there.

Improving education, improving civil infrastructure (NOT THE DAMN COPS, I MEAN THINGS LIKE LIBRARIES) and empowering people that are disadvantaged REDUCES CRIME, by removing the necessity to engage in criminality. 

Oh, but that's so much harder than just blaming the people being forced into criminality by their social and financial conditions, and building jails to stuff them in! They are CRIMINALS! They DESERVE to be in Jail--- Right?

Nevermind that incarceration, US style, is about the WORST way to "Rehabilitate" somebody that you can possibly undertake, short of stuffing them into a genuine panopticon. Recidivism rates mean NOTHING! All that matters is keeping that unsightly filth off the streets so rich people don't have to see it!  Out of sight, out of mind! Problem solved!

I think I am hemorrhaging sarcasm here. I'd better stop before I make a huge mess.

Seriously-- this kind of thing, it PAYS to solve the problem CORRECTLY.  That means understanding the cause of the problem, and addressing that cause-- not bandaging the symptoms and pretending that it has been fixed.

[Descan]

* Descan mops up the raging puddles of sarcasm.

Scruffy don't like puddles.

[Zangi]

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I should add in some disclaimer when I say think of the children now.  "Think of the Children, but only when it doesn't negatively effect the profits."

[Glowcat]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/state-level-flurry-post-ferguson-bills-fizzle

Reform through the channels of the system predictably fails.

[Cheeetar]

It's a shame that capacity has nothing to do with how well equipped their schools are to educate people.

[Frumple]

Eh? That's pretty explicitly untrue. Class size and whatnot has a fairly significant effect, from everything I've noticed. It's certainly not nothing. Also not even remotely everything, obvs, but it's a factor.

Also a decent measure of funding per student, if something's not going horribly wrong. Which also isn't a 1:1 match with education capability, but it's usually a better metric than most.

[wierd]

"capacity" is a loaded valuation.

"capacity" is really "total number of seats in a room".  EG, "Gymnasium, capacity 2500 persons."  that gym, with 1000 people in it is not even at half capacity.

This has no bearing whatsoever on the quality of the building, the quality of the seating provided in that gym, nor to the quality of the equipment the gym uses.

That's what was being addressed-- "not at capacity does not address ability of district to give good education"  They can have all kinds of pretty desk, but if there are outdated textbooks, or a teacher shortage-- You can be under capacity, and still be delivering a poor education.

Money gets spent on more than just new buildings.