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[Tegga21]

yeah if she vault generates a shrine it will usually have a spellbook of one spell

[SharpKris]

so it's garbage basicly

[tompliss]

Not exactly.
IIRC, Sif muna needs you to know a spell to follow her.
And this altar gives you a book with a spell anyone can learn and cast easily.

If you don't have ranged options and wouldn't mind casting, becoming a follower if Sif could be a good option (you know, if Sif was really good). You could also learn Shock and go for Vehumet when you find His altar, if you want to have better spells sooner, and effective passive abilities :-°

[Ant]

Going with MiBe, currently quite good barring no rP or any other but rF++

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.0-12-gccce430 (webtiles) character file.

4nt the Severer (Minotaur Berserker)               Turns: 16626, Time: 01:25:08

HP  99/129       AC 24     Str 27      XL: 14   Next:  0%
MP   6/6         EV  7     Int  5      God: Trog [******]
Gold 1262        SH  0     Dex 13      Spells:  0 memorised, 15 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis .     P - +4 battleaxe (antimagic)
rCold  . . .     Rnd*Rage +     s - +1 plate armour
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  .         rRot     .     (helmet restricted)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     R - +0 cloak
SustAb .         Warding  .     B - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   +         Stasis   .     H - +1 pair of boots of Proximity {rF++ Slay+3}
Gourm  .                        p - amulet of resist mutation
MR     ++...                    r - ring of protection from magic
                                C - +4 ring of strength

@: drained, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, berserk 1, electricity resistance
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels.
You have also visited: Bailey.

You have collected 1821 gold pieces.
You have spent 559 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 y - a +2 executioner's axe of chopping
 F - a +4 battleaxe of flaming
 J - a +3 war axe of venom
 P - a +4 antimagic battleaxe (weapon)
 Q - a +3 battleaxe of electrocution
Missiles
 f - 11 tomahawks of returning (quivered)
 k - 4 poisoned javelins
 n - 4 silver tomahawks
Armour
 s - a +1 plate armour (worn)
 w - a +2 buckler
 B - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 H - the +1 pair of boots of Proximity (worn) {rF++ Slay+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
 R - a +0 cloak (worn)
Magical devices
 h - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 1}
 x - a wand of confusion {zapped: 1}
 D - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1}
 E - a wand of confusion
 O - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 a - 6 meat rations
 c - 8 bread rations
 z - a royal jelly
 M - 3 beef jerkies
 T - 2 rotting chunks of orc flesh
Scrolls
 b - 4 scrolls of fog
 d - 3 scrolls of enchant armour
 e - 3 scrolls of identify
 l - 6 scrolls of teleportation
 m - 2 scrolls of blinking
 q - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 u - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 I - a scroll of recharging
Jewellery
 g - a cursed amulet of resist corrosion
 p - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 r - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 v - a +3 ring of evasion
 C - a +4 ring of strength (left hand)
 K - an uncursed ring of stealth
 L - a +3 ring of protection
Potions
 i - 7 potions of curing
 o - 3 potions of might
 t - a potion of mutation
 A - 3 potions of heal wounds
Miscellaneous
 j - a sack of spiders
 G - a crystal ball of energy


   Skills:
 + Level 13.5(13.0) Fighting
 + Level 16.1(15.6) Axes
 + Level 4.4(4.0) Throwing
 + Level 12.7(12.2) Armour
 + Level 8.6(8.2) Dodging
 + Level 4.0(3.6) Stealth
 + Level 3.6(3.3) Shields
 + Level 2.1(1. Unarmed Combat
 + Level 1.3(0.9) Spellcasting
 * Level 6.6(6.1) Evocations


You have 15 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (14/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (0/8) D:11         Vaults (0/5) D:13

[Moron]

Why are you training spellcasting on a berserker?

Also, probably not much point training stealth if you are wearing heavy armour, or shields if you are using 2 handed weapons, or unarmed combat at all if you are fighting with weapons.

[Ant]

Yeap, noticed these little things myself after copypasteing that shields are there in rare chance of art shield

[Ant]

Got a holy claymore and enchanted it to +5, and found a +2 plate of rP+, enchanted that too to +4. Now on L3 and looking at labyrinth entrance. Dare I enter?

Edit: all or nothing!

Edit Edit: Useless junk there. Could have used that time better 

[Tegga21]

Why are you training spellcasting on a berserker?

Also, probably not much point training stealth if you are wearing heavy armour, or shields if you are using 2 handed weapons, or unarmed combat at all if you are fighting with weapons.

I trained it on 2 of my first 3 melee (repel missles)

[Moron]

Sure, if you are worshipping a different god, learning some low level spells makes sense. Or maybe even while worshipping Trog if you are planning to abandon him soon, but on a mid level berserker it's a waste of XP that will also cause you to lose piety.

AFAIK, training any magical skill while worshipping Trog causes a relatively minor piety loss, but actually casting spells causes penance, which really isn't worth it.

[BaronMunchausen]

I'm in. You can expect very few games played and Chei-like pacing.

What's your crawl username? I'll add you to the nobles.

DrFeelgood

Added.

Also, Sif Muna is pretty worthless unless maybe you're a mummy and can exploit the hungerless channeling. And even then, Vehumet is probably better, as you get mp from killing (which is easier to do with Veh) plus plenty of actually useful spells as opposed to Sif's schizophrenic gifts you can't memorise/cast/find a use for.

Maybe I'm just mad because my promising DESu splatted on D:13 after never receiving a single summoning spell from Sif. Out of like 8-10 gifts. Had to clear Lair and Orc with ice beasts from the starting book. I eventually found a book of Beasts on the floor and learned summon hydra, which was fun for about a hundred turns until I died to a storm dragon.

Whenever that happens my inner Trog screams "I HATE MAGIC" and I roll & splat ten minotaurs in ten minutes as a cathartic exercise. Casters just require so much investment and micromanagement for a character that will invariably be really squishy and weak when the mp runs out. Maybe I'm just playing them wrong.

[Dr Feelgood]

My 1st character is doing well.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.0-12-gccce430 (webtiles) character file.

DrFeelgood the Slayer (Vine Stalker Berserker)     Turns: 58794, Time: 11:10:07

HP 145/145       AC 34     Str 27      XL: 24   Next: 31%
MP  39/39        EV  9     Int  8      God: Trog [******]
Gold 2803        SH 16     Dex 18      Spells:  0 memorised, 23 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .     V - +7 bastard sword (venom)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     Y - +0 storm dragon armour
rNeg   + . .     rCorr    .     i - +1 shield {AC+3}
rPois  .         rRot     +     o - +2 helmet
rElec  +         Spirit   +     y - +2 cloak {MR+}
SustAb .         Warding  .     s - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     m - +0 pair of boots {Fly}
Gourm  +                        t - amulet of the gourmand
MR     ++++.                    O - ring of regeneration
                                R - ring of Ixafel {rF+ rC+ rN+}

@: flying, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: claws 1, fangs 3, blurry vision 1, regeneration 3, magic shield, antimagic
bite, no device heal 3, rot immunity
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Stop Flying
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver


You are on level 4 of the Depths.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

I'll finish up soon.

[Moron]

Interesting that minotaurs currently have nearly twice as many wins as the next most popular species (gargoyle.)

[Graven]

Minotaurs are basically just as easy to play and don't tend to evaporate at the slightest hint of elemental damage [srsly gargoyle health is so damn low].

Also Tegga you magnificent person keep doing the lord's work for the Champions!

[Ant]

Yay, my first rune (scaly)! Now to carefully gauge- where next?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.0-13-gb296d5c (webtiles) character file.

4nt the Severer (Minotaur Berserker)               Turns: 39507, Time: 04:09:26

HP 172/172       AC 32     Str 29      XL: 18   Next: 15%
MP  29/29        EV 10     Int  5      God: Trog [******]
Gold 2725        SH  0     Dex 14      Spells:  0 memorised, 19 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis .     F - +4 battleaxe (flame)
rCold  . . .     Rnd*Rage +     k - +5 plate armour {rPois}
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    +     (no shield)
rPois  +         rRot     .     t - +2 hat
rElec  +         Spirit   .     R - +0 cloak
SustAb .         Warding  .     B - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     H - +1 pair of boots of Proximity {rF++ Slay+3}
Gourm  .                        g - cursed amulet of resist corrosion
MR     ++...                    r - ring of protection from magic
                                C - +4 ring of strength

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, berserk 1, electricity resistance
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine


You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Bailey.

You have collected 3284 gold pieces.
You have spent 559 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 s - a +5 claymore of holy wrath
 y - a +2 executioner's axe of chopping
 F - a +4 battleaxe of flaming (weapon)
 P - a +4 antimagic battleaxe
 Q - a +3 battleaxe of electrocution
 S - a vampiric battleaxe {god gift}
Missiles
 f - 7 tomahawks of returning (quivered)
 n - 4 silver tomahawks
Armour
 h - a crystal plate armour
 k - a +5 plate armour of poison resistance (worn)
 t - a +2 hat (worn)
 B - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 H - the +1 pair of boots of Proximity (worn) {rF++ Slay+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
 R - a +0 cloak (worn)
Magical devices
 x - an ivory wand
 D - a wand of fire {zapped: 1}
 E - a wand of confusion
 K - a wand of paralysis
 O - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1}
 T - a wand of enslavement (12)
 Y - a wand of frost {recharged}
 Z - a wand of random effects (16)
Comestibles
 a - 10 meat rations
 c - 8 bread rations
 w - 2 rotting chunks of naga flesh
 z - a royal jelly
 G - a rotting chunk of naga flesh
 N - 25 fruits
Scrolls
 b - 4 scrolls of fog
 d - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 l - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 m - 3 scrolls of blinking
 q - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 I - 4 scrolls of recharging
 V - 3 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 g - a cursed amulet of resist corrosion (around neck)
 p - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 r - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 v - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 C - a +4 ring of strength (left hand)
 L - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 W - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 X - an uncursed ring of invisibility
Potions
 e - 2 potions of haste
 i - 14 potions of curing
 j - 2 potions of invisibility
 o - 7 potions of might
 A - a potion of brilliance


   Skills:
 + Level 18.0 Fighting
 + Level 7.3 Long Blades
 + Level 20.4 Axes
 + Level 6.5 Throwing
 + Level 16.0 Armour
 + Level 10.5 Dodging
 - Level 4.0 Stealth
   Level 3.6 Shields
 - Level 2.1 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 1.3 Spellcasting
 * Level 12.6 Evocations


You have 19 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (0/5) Lair:5
  Snake (5/5) Lair:5        Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (0/5) D:13
Depths: D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Trog
Xom
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:5 *   D:8 (   D:14 %   Orc:1 =   Orc:4 [(%?

Annotations:
D:10 exclusions: orange crystal statue and silver statue
Orc:4 exclusion: ice statue


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You tend to lose your temper in combat.
You are resistant to electric shocks.

[miauw62]

https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#hyperelliptic is apparently a pretty good guide most of the time.
It's the reponse I get when I ask "where should I go next" in ##crawl, anyway