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[notquitethere]

Toaster, I don't have a vote, Flabort just clarified with me that my vote appearing in the count wasn't deliberate (easy mistake to make). I'm happy for Urist to die though as he probably counts as one of the 5 anti-town players right now.

[Toaster]

NQT:  If you did have a vote, where would it be?


Urist I: Okay.

Point 1:  You are an anti-town faction, and therefore required by my wincon to eliminate.
Point 2:  As a lyncher, you would become town(-ally) should TolyK die in the night.

Assumption 1:  TolyK is town.

So which scenario seems more likely to you:

A:  Scum nightkills TolyK.  You become town(-ally).  Net number of townies remains the same.
B:  Scum doesn't nightkill TolyK, instead killing a different townie.  You remain anti-town.  Net number of townies: -1.

I think it's pretty clear.

[Urist Imiknorris]

NQT + Toaster:
Are you reading the same D1 opening post I am?

Someone's eyes glow, and the speak of five people hidden in the midst of the players who seek to take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile.

I'm not sure how wanting TolyK to be lynched falls under that description.

Toaster: Unstated Assumption 2: There are no non-scum kills.

Care to try again?

TolyK: flabort has clarified - you have to stay dead.

[Toaster]

UI:  Quick reminder:

Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)

Assumption 2 runs afoul of Assumption 1.  Let's assume there is a townie with a kill.  Why should we pick you to live over TolyK?  What do you have to offer to us more than he does?  At best, we'd be trading one townie for another.

[Shakerag]

I wonder if someone found my old public BYOR role suggestions (from the BYOR 10 thread) and submitted "Posting restrictions!  Posting restrictions for all!" from it. 

Anyway.  All aboard the BlitzDungeoneer train!  Choo choo!

[4maskwolf]

4mask

To those asking questions about my wincon: I have no idea who I'm allied with.  I am a brother-ally, which is just... no.  I win if someone else wins, and their wincon requires someone else to win.  It's just... urk.

And do you intend to make yourself useful to the town?

However, now that Varee decided to jump on the "lynch 4mask" bandwagon, I guess I have my first target.
Varee: Do you have any other reason for voting me other than the fact that I claimed non-town?

Not only do you OMGUS the player who has a legitimate reason to vote you (you're not town!), it's a player that we should at least give a Day 1 benefit of the doubt and believe is town given the OP. Let's not turn this into that bloody school game where the only confirmed townie was lynched Day 1.

I have no idea.  I'm allied with the person who has the brother alignment, and they in turn are allied with the team of the person they are brother'd too.

The best way to confirm your story would be to kill you (and if you're telling the truth you might still win!)

I do intend to work with town as much as I'm able to.  I also have six votes, as this irritating voting phenomenon revealed, so I can make myself useful in that way too.
Also, screw you too buddy, I have no intention of dying any more than you do.
(Please don't take that personally...)

4maskwolf: How do you intend to figure out who the brother is?

I have my ways.  I was kind of hoping they'd have revealed themselves by now, but I have ways of determining who is who, don't you worry.

About the whole Urist I thing: I will reserve judgement until the following question is answered.

Flabort: Is a lyncher's target always town?  I know how Jack A T ruled it in his BYOR, but would you ever make a lyncher's target non-town.

Also, I'd rather not see Blitz lynched just because of a silly troll, so superblackcat TheDarkStar notquitethere Tiruin mastahcheese Persus13

[notquitethere]

Toaster

NQT:  If you did have a vote, where would it be?

Right now, probably on Urist as even if he's telling the truth, we couldn't trust him to live until LYLO if TolyK is town and lives also. Wolf is also a strong contender.

Wolf
Are you going to justify each of those votes?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Toaster:

Why should we pick you to live over TolyK?  What do you have to offer to us more than he does?  At best, we'd be trading one townie for another.

Coherent posting, for one. Additionally, there's the fact that Assumption 1 is an assumption, and anyone suspicious of TolyK would, by definition, disagree with it. Third, TolyK's wincon appears to include his survival, as hinted in italicized line #3 here, which would reduce his hunting effectiveness as he tries not to get NK'd. I could also list some of my many absolutely beautiful auto-abilities, but I'll just stick to claiming the doublevote that the vote list already shows I have.

[4maskwolf]

Wolf
Are you going to justify each of those votes?

I'm trying to get the ridiculous number of votes I put on Blitz (as random votes) off of him without actually endangering anyone else with being lynched, so I spread them out among random people.  Although I just read Persus13's hypothesis as to how the multi-votes work, so I'm going to add unvote all to see if that removes my silly number of votes from Blitz.

Also, NQT: I have a hypothesis since Urist Imiknorris claimed lyncher.  If he's telling the truth, then unless there are two scum then I am pro-town, or at least neutral, because if I were evil then my ally, the brother, would have to be evil as well.  Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are.  As such, I would posit that the five anti-town are Urist Imiknorris and four scum.

I may be entirely incorrect, but that's the way of things, I guess.

[TolyK]

That is completely correct logic.

Quite - either there are 2-3 scum and a scum-brother and a brother-ally...

Or there are 4 scum and Urist Imiknorris.

Or we have other crap to worry about as well.

But I still maintain that Urist can win with U, I 'n TolyK.

U do you. Heh.

[Urist Imiknorris]

But I still maintain that Urist can win with U, I 'n TolyK.

U do you. Heh.

Do tell.

[TolyK]

The joke is, I have this funny little thing...

One way of getting rid of it is dying, but not now.

Problem is, dying is really really really...

... really hard. So you work with mU and I, then we'll see how we can get TolyK lynched.

Deal?

[TheWetSheep]

Toaster:

Sheep:

Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?

What would alternate wincons entail, by your definition?  3rd parties are dealt with as per normal.  Townies with alternate wincons?  Wouldn't that make them not townies?

I meant players with the town wincon, but another condition they can fulfill to win. I realize now that I made a mistake. I read this:

Tirurin: One of my auto is telling other my wincon, I feel it is likely a simiar thing for TD.

As "telling my other wincon" - I thought he was claiming to have two.

UI

TWS: Prove your votelessness.

TheWetSheep

Mastahcheese:

TheWetSheep: Do you think it will be hard to fins scum? Why or why not?

Yes. Everyone's focus on abilities is making scumhunting almost impossible, and the nightgame will be so crazy that getting meaningful results will be impossible. Oh, and if we do a massclaim my head will explode.

@Tiruin: So you got agenda-copy as well?
Hmm, this is more powerful than I thought.
Oh, and so you know, I know exactly why you want scum to target you.
I can do it too, only better.
Don't ask me how I know, just remember I can't vote.

@TolyK: If you think killing me thrice would be anything more than a minor irritation to me, you've no idea.
That said, I now understand why you're acting this way, and why you can't win.
I can't fix the problem, however. At least not for you.

@Jack: Because you know exactly why.
I am a member of the Canadian Government.
I challenge the hunter to kill me.

Do you have some things you want to claim or are you just going to keep saying vague things about how powerful you are?

TolyK: Answer clearly and coherently: Is your wincon Brother?

[mastahcheese]

@Tiruin: What I meant was that the thing you learned? I learned it too.
You learned it because of me.
Hint. Hint.

@Toaster: YOU ARE A SHIT. STOP TRYING TO BE AS UNINFORMITIVE AS POSSIBLE.
I'D VOTE YOUR ASS IF I COULD.

@NQT: No I won't.
I like to watch you squirm.

*Waves shotgun in TWS's face*
THE FUCK YOU SAY?

As forthe color, you think I like using this?
It's a pain in the ass to type on an iPod.

[Urist Imiknorris]

The joke is, I have this funny little thing...

One way of getting rid of it is dying, but not now.

Problem is, dying is really really really...

... really hard. So you work with mU and I, then we'll see how we can get TolyK lynched.

Deal?

How hard is it, and what would I need to do?