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[xxxhalo4lifexxx]

The itch.io is down, did The false Emperor already fail us?

[George_Chickens]

The itch.io is down, did The false Emperor already fail us?

What the hell, this user has been here since 2013, but has only ever said this. What an amazingly dedicated fan of Chapter Master! 

[ChairmanPoo]

Total time spent onlime 29 mins.

Weird. Weird if it's a real user, weird if it's a deep umdercover bot

[Cruxador]

The itch.io is down, did The false Emperor already fail us?

What the hell, this user has been here since 2013, but has only ever said this. What an amazingly dedicated fan of Chapter Master! 

That's what you call a lurker. General tech estimates is that only a tenth of your site viewers post, so it's not strange if a regular lurker might have incidentally made an account after coming around the first time, but not had anything in particular to contribute until now.

[Il Palazzo]

That's no lurker. That's the lurkerest.

[LordBaal]

Or we are seeing a deep GW undercover agent unravel a long time conspiracy.

I just have to say one thing: "In the name of The Emperor, finish this!".

[xxxhalo4lifexxx]

The itch.io is down, did The false Emperor already fail us?

What the hell, this user has been here since 2013, but has only ever said this. What an amazingly dedicated fan of Chapter Master! 

That's what you call a lurker. General tech estimates is that only a tenth of your site viewers post, so it's not strange if a regular lurker might have incidentally made an account after coming around the first time, but not had anything in particular to contribute until now.

I am not an agent of the Ordo Chronos, this post is accurate.

[ndkid]

I wonder if TheEmperor will recognize that they have fulfilled the prophecy? That we are doomed to watch as a never-ending succession of false emperors rise, demand our worship as befits The One True Emperor, castigate our skepticism in the face of their majesty, and then fall silent and disappear as each false emperor has before them? Will they, like so many before them, blame we, the faithless, for their fall from grace?

[Trekkin]

I wonder if TheEmperor will recognize that they have fulfilled the prophecy? That we are doomed to watch as a never-ending succession of false emperors rise, demand our worship as befits The One True Emperor, castigate our skepticism in the face of their majesty, and then fall silent and disappear as each false emperor has before them? Will they, like so many before them, blame we, the faithless, for their fall from grace?

In order: No, no, and yes.

Chapter Master's never coming back. As has been said up-thread, it can never make anyone money or even serve as resume fodder because it's illegal, so it's out of the question for anyone with the skill set to complete the project -- and, while open source can do a lot of things, games strain its capabilities given the diversity of talents required and the concomitant cat-herding to get all the pieces working together. Again, the people who can do this have better things to do.

This has been true since the original version, and it's only gotten more obvious as the failures have piled up. At this point anyone trying to resurrect it has to believe they're better than everyone who's tried and failed despite being in the same general boat vis-a-vis more worthwhile projects, and they've also got to think they're going to outmaneuver GW's lawyers besides. Such people do not generally take skepticism well.

However, now we have been promised an open-source version. Behold:

If the project is to fail for whatever reason, the source code I have written is commented and pretty well laid out, and I will release all assets that can be released without copyright issues so people can just insert stuff that was paid for unity things.

I can hardly wait. 

[Cruxador]

Chapter Master's never coming back.

I mean, people said it would never be made for like two years or something before Duke went and did it. I'm not holding out high hopes of anything, but stranger things have happened.

[Retropunch]

I wonder if TheEmperor will recognize that they have fulfilled the prophecy? That we are doomed to watch as a never-ending succession of false emperors rise, demand our worship as befits The One True Emperor, castigate our skepticism in the face of their majesty, and then fall silent and disappear as each false emperor has before them? Will they, like so many before them, blame we, the faithless, for their fall from grace?

Do you write for the Black Library!? I feel you should narrate our struggles to crown a True Emperor - The Bay12us Heresy.

I'm going to give this latest appearance a bit of time - one week really isn't that long, especially if they're wanting to release something more substantial to assuage our doubts. Whilst I don't think we really reacted out of form, I imagine they didn't get the reaction they were expecting either - no one enjoys posting into lots of negativity.

Chapter Master's never coming back. As has been said up-thread, it can never make anyone money or even serve as resume fodder because it's illegal, so it's out of the question for anyone with the skill set to complete the project -- and, while open source can do a lot of things, games strain its capabilities given the diversity of talents required and the concomitant cat-herding to get all the pieces working together. Again, the people who can do this have better things to do.

The one thing this has going for it is that some people are VERY passionate about w40k. Have you seen some of the fan vids?? They're insane. More than that, you could do all of the portfolio/asking for money/etc. if you just changed it to 'Legion Leader' and included modding capabilities.

[nenjin]

Well, you know what they say.

Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (At least in the real world, that shit is HERESY in 40k.) And with GWS's licensing wing these days, they'd greenlight a game written in BASIC as long as it printed a reasonable enough rendition of the Imperial Aquila to the screen

[xxxhalo4lifexxx]

I'm going to give this latest appearance a bit of time - one week really isn't that long, especially if they're wanting to release something more substantial to assuage our doubts. Whilst I don't think we really reacted out of form, I imagine they didn't get the reaction they were expecting either - no one enjoys posting into lots of negativity.

The thing is though that he took down the website, what reason would he have for doing that other than because he quit?

[Il Palazzo]

Looks like we have performed exterminatus on this project thanks to our well intentioned, but rather stern, quite very stern indeed (oh, so stern) advice.

[Retropunch]

I'm going to give this latest appearance a bit of time - one week really isn't that long, especially if they're wanting to release something more substantial to assuage our doubts. Whilst I don't think we really reacted out of form, I imagine they didn't get the reaction they were expecting either - no one enjoys posting into lots of negativity.

The thing is though that he took down the website, what reason would he have for doing that other than because he quit?

I hadn't realised. That's...not a great sign. Still, 

Well, you know what they say.

Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (At least in the real world, that shit is HERESY in 40k.) And with GWS's licensing wing these days, they'd greenlight a game written in BASIC as long as it printed a reasonable enough rendition of the Imperial Aquila to the screen

I'd say copyright is one of the very, very few times when the opposite is true. Companies almost never grant retroactive copyright, as the whole thing with copyright law is that you have to be seen to be defending your rights - if the company started allowing retroactive copyright for games/things that were 'good', then everyone would be able to claim 'well I was violating the copyright, but I believed my thing was good enough that they'd license it'.

Copyright is all about setting precedent. It's why you see all those ridiculous claims from game companies - they don't believe it either, but they have to show they're defending their copyright, otherwise the next time round the judge might say 'you obviously aren't bothered, so we're not going to rule' - it sounds bonkers, and it is. Once you've been given that Cease and Desist or a ruling has been made against you, you have to stop EVERYTHING to do with the product - no sly releases or putting out source code etc. If there is even a hint that you've been involved after that then it gets really messy. You can't un-ring the bell on it, so it's better for it never to happen.

Something to make very clear:
They can't sue you immediately unless you've made serious profits/you were trying to sell counterfeit goods etc. whilst the line varies, none of that would be an issue here. You'll get that C&D warning first, and they have to say exactly what you've violated. They can't just say 'idk space marines or something' - they'll have to say what and where you've violated their copyright. If you change it, you can go back to them and say 'here it is, does it violate anything now?' and they can't just say 'no but we don't like it so stop'. Many people just stop because it's not worth the hassle for them to change things, which is why I've kept on banging on about making it something that can be modded easily and uses different lore/assets/etc.