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[kayosetsu]

Been out of the loop for a bit but from what I've seen I summed it all up to this:

Journier poofed and now Flow is now our only hope, but progress is slow.

[puke]

I have faith that Journier will return.  I knew him from way back and don't think he'd flake.

His programmer may have flaked or something, but he'll probably come back at some point to share what he's got.

Keeping this ravening horde slaked with updates is a vexing prospect, he's probably ignoring the thread. 

[Cruxador]

Been out of the loop for a bit but from what I've seen I summed it all up to this:

Journier poofed and now Flow is now our only hope, but progress is slow.

And Flow, despite being a decent enough game dev from what we've seen, doesn't know much about 40k or really understand why people wanted Chapter Master made in the first place.

[Rolan7]

I mean... I think many people have played Dawn of War but haven't actually bought miniatures from Games Workshop.  The concept has kinda spread outside of the dedicated hobbyists.  It's also good meme fuel.

So personally, most of my hype is for Interstellar Army Simulator or whatever.  I haven't bought hard into space marines(tm), just SPEHS MAHRINES.

IE Spartans.  Or anyone else in power armor.  Doesn't matter.

[puke]

I love me some space studs in power armor, in the most heterosexual way possible.  Which probably ISN'T actually possible, so there it is.

What really sold me on the whole CM business was page one of this thread, with the picture straight out of 1987 Rogue Trader.  I'm not a huge fan of what the franchise has become, but that original imagery was just magical.

CM always felt a little bit classic in nature, maybe it was just how rough hewn the interface was, and how simple the graphics were.

Whatever it was about it, it really brought me back to 1987 and flipping through that book (on the school playground) with the diagrams of the Corvis "beaky" armor, and the lists of all the augmentations and organs that marines had.  And the color spread in the middle with the various paint schemes for each legion...

[nenjin]

I love me some space studs in power armor, in the most heterosexual way possible.  Which probably ISN'T actually possible, so there it is.

What really sold me on the whole CM business was page one of this thread, with the picture straight out of 1987 Rogue Trader.  I'm not a huge fan of what the franchise has become, but that original imagery was just magical.

CM always felt a little bit classic in nature, maybe it was just how rough hewn the interface was, and how simple the graphics were.

Whatever it was about it, it really brought me back to 1987 and flipping through that book (on the school playground) with the diagrams of the Corvis "beaky" armor, and the lists of all the augmentations and organs that marines had.  And the color spread in the middle with the various paint schemes for each legion...

This is me, pretty much to a T. Which is why IAS doesn't really get my enthusiasm. I appreciate the work being done but 'generic' is pretty much the opposite of what brought me to CM in the first place.

[Rolan7]

Hm.  I actually feel like generic space studs in power armor was perfectly in line with Interstellar Army Simulator.  WH40K has an amazing amount of fluff which I do like, but it hardly owns the idea of power armored badasses.

[nenjin]

Hm.  I actually feel like generic space studs in power armor was perfectly in line with Interstellar Army Simulator.  WH40K has an amazing amount of fluff which I do like, but it hardly owns the idea of power armored badasses.

The names, the structures of things, the conceits, the imagery. All these make it more than "generic dudes in power armor" to me. And they all happen to be the things that have to be changed for it to live without harassment. I guess what I'm saying is, without all the supporting ideas and flourishes dudes in power armor aren't really all that interesting. I said it back at the start of the thread: fluff and how it cleaves to the fluff is what makes CM so great. Without it, it's a spreadsheet game for the most part.

If it's a solid base to put all that stuff back on though, then hurrah, Emperor be praised, so on and so forth.

[Rolan7]

The names, the structures of things, the conceits, the imagery. All these make it more than "generic dudes in power armor" to me.

Totally agreed, it's a beautiful canon.

And they all happen to be the things that have to be changed for it to live without harassment.

Mostly, yeah, but look at Star Craft.  If Blizzard got away with that (and that was frankly bullshit, in my opinion) then clearly there is room for interstellar MAHREENS.

[nenjin]

Wasn't ever implying there isn't room for more. But for me? I don't play Starcraft because of the lore, because of the visuals. Because guys in power armor don't hold some intrinsic value for me, personally.

[Rolan7]

I meant that Starcraft stole practically wholesale from Warhammer40k.  Like, wow.  It's less obvious in Starcraft 2, of *course*, but in the original?  Sure they added some touches, but they very clearly started from an Eldar/Tyrannid/Imperium base.

Like it's actually one of the few things I get annoyed with my friends about.  It's blatant.

And yet, it wasn't judged any violation of copyright.  And thus, Interstellar Army Simulator can be (probably not even) that close and be okay.

[puke]

I meant that Starcraft stole practically wholesale from

Hur hur:

[Tack]

It's a bunch of 'I'm an angry nerd' and none of the 'This is why you're so very wrong'.

[puke]

Haha, no, you don't get it.  Rolan is exactly correct, and his assertion carries to blizzard's older 'craft property as well.

Blizzard has SAID as much.  It isn't a matter of nerd debate: they have copped to it.