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Author Topic: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!  (Read 799112 times)

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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #255 on: August 26, 2014, 04:37:14 pm »

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Ecclesiarchy: the Church part of the great religious space fascism. Technically "no man" may hold arms directly under their command, so their military is all-woman. Fellow humans and part of the Imperium.

Mostly correct. Trumped by the rule that there are no rules in 40k fluff. There are plenty of militant entities of the Ecclesiarchy of various genders, from gun-toting Confessors to the odd preacher packin' heat to body guards. Chapter Master rolls that all into one for the game's sake and makes the Sisters of Battle the figurehead for the organization. In terms of actual 40k fluff, that's not true. The SoB are a militant organization of woman who believe (and in some cases demonstrably show) that they wield faith in the Emperor like a weapon and wear it as armor. Generally though, the Ecclesiarchy is the authority on what is and isn't part of the Imperial Cult (aka religious space facism.) But I guess you are technically correct in that, other than SoB, the Ecclesiarchy maintains no real standing armies at least that I can remember. But who needs armies when you can whip a population into a violent religious fervor?

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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #256 on: August 26, 2014, 04:42:41 pm »

As i ran again into a planet above which there was a tyranid space fleet outnumbering in bigs guns by far what i had i retreated (lost some escorts automatically on that) and decided to test the military assistance diplomatic request that i had not still used.

I asked the imperium guy, to my surprise he accepted, i was presented with the zoomed out map and a green circle with no idea what to do, click on a system, click on a zone, click on a fleet ?
I clicked on a zone with the nasty tyranids system in and it did absolutely nothing , so i guess it was not how it works. Unfortunately once i click, it's finished, you can't click again anywhere, the manual does not mention anything about this part.

Then for fun i contacted the ork warboss and asked him for military assistance.
The warboss ... accepted !
But again, without knowing what to select, i selected one of the orks fleet and it did nothing.

So anyone know how does military assistance works ?
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #257 on: August 26, 2014, 04:59:52 pm »

corrections

All good points. I was more just making a reference to the fluff on the female theme of the sisters of battle.

As to military assistance, I honestly haven't even tried it before. Apologies.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #258 on: August 26, 2014, 05:07:16 pm »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods. That's just silly -- the worst sort of imperial propaganda. They're the space gods of hope, love, passion, and the strive toward perfection. Not evil at all. Maybe a little aggressive in terms of acquiring converts, but still. They only want what is good for mankind!

Also worth noting that good ol' god emperor is quite possibly the space god of order, and the atrocities done in his name are at least as bad >_>

... now I want to be able to corrupt my chapter. It'll be nice if we can eventually do that.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #259 on: August 26, 2014, 05:17:35 pm »

Military assistance works by placing the green circle over the systems you want attacked. However, I've only used it with the IG before they and only seem to attack ships.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #260 on: August 26, 2014, 05:38:23 pm »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods. That's just silly -- the worst sort of imperial propaganda. They're the space gods of hope, love, passion, and the strive toward perfection. Not evil at all. Maybe a little aggressive in terms of acquiring converts, but still. They only want what is good for mankind!

Also worth noting that good ol' god emperor is quite possibly the space god of order, and the atrocities done in his name are at least as bad >_>

... now I want to be able to corrupt my chapter. It'll be nice if we can eventually do that.

To be fair, I predicated all that with a "this is how the 'ideal' space marine chapter would see things." In my opinion the ideals of the space marines aren't exactly better than some of those chaos folks. And the content currently in the game certainly hints at future myriad ways for your space marine chapter to piss off the inquisition. I certainly hope the dev continues this labor of love.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #261 on: August 26, 2014, 05:52:48 pm »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods. That's just silly -- the worst sort of imperial propaganda. They're the space gods of hope, love, passion, and the strive toward perfection. Not evil at all. Maybe a little aggressive in terms of acquiring converts, but still. They only want what is good for mankind!

Also worth noting that good ol' god emperor is quite possibly the space god of order, and the atrocities done in his name are at least as bad >_>

... now I want to be able to corrupt my chapter. It'll be nice if we can eventually do that.

To be fair, I predicated all that with a "this is how the 'ideal' space marine chapter would see things." In my opinion the ideals of the space marines aren't exactly better than some of those chaos folks. And the content currently in the game certainly hints at future myriad ways for your space marine chapter to piss off the inquisition. I certainly hope the dev continues this labor of love.

The dev is gone for a while now (vacation or some such) but he shows every intention of wanting to continue.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #262 on: August 26, 2014, 06:08:24 pm »

TBH, there seems to be more interesting things happening with NOT following the Imperial Creed than cleaving to it. While doing one's duty to the Emperor is rightly its own reward, it'd be nice if when you cleanse a forge world or Imperial world that you'd get some Faction Rep because of it. Tapering, of course, beyond a certain point. It'd also be cool to get into diplomatic tussles with other Chapters as well. Things rarely end peacefully when two Chapters of the Astartes don't see eye-to-eye on something, like possession of an Artifact.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #263 on: August 27, 2014, 01:04:50 am »

This game is sweet.

If you play the current version, it seems to be a good idea to allow the Orks to have fun and multiply for a while. If you exterminate threats early (which is easy to do) you won't have anything to fight.

I don't think Penitent chapter starts work correctly, I would recommend Fleet based for the battle barge. Anyone know what Shitty Luck does? If it spawns more enemies it might actually be a benefit like the tooltip implies.

One issue that came up was that my homeworld's population was unable to be purged when corruption went up. Eventually there was a full chaos incursion while the entire chapter of marines were in the middle of a long space transit across the sector. I was able to clear the chaos army off the homeworld, though it cost two dreadnaughts and less importantly some replaceable marines before the lascannons destroyed the Chaos tanks.

I also had found some neat artifacts. One was a power sword with an attached bolter, another a bolter pistol with a flamethrower attached, and another was an artifact Dreadnaught. I tried giving my chaos artifacts to the inquisition but it didn't seem to improve their relationship with the chapter at all as it was still at 11 despite saying it would improve by +12. I also destroyed one and a Greater Demon of Slaanesh emerged on my empty battle barge so I reloaded and it didn't appear the second time when I was prepared.

Crusades are incredibly costly so don't send your whole chapter or you'll lose 750 out of 950 or so. I was only able to recover 400 or so geneseed from those 750 so it's crippling. They gave me two artifacts though, too bad one was chaotic.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #264 on: August 27, 2014, 02:17:09 am »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods.

Dude they are black and red, that means evil. Color coded for your convenience XD
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #265 on: August 27, 2014, 06:52:56 am »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods. That's just silly -- the worst sort of imperial propaganda. They're the space gods of hope, love, passion, and the strive toward perfection. Not evil at all. Maybe a little aggressive in terms of acquiring converts, but still. They only want what is good for mankind!

Also worth noting that good ol' god emperor is quite possibly the space god of order, and the atrocities done in his name are at least as bad >_>

... now I want to be able to corrupt my chapter. It'll be nice if we can eventually do that.
yeah the empire doesnt seem like the nicest of places to live.

then again, the birth of slaanesh basically murdered 99% of the eldar in a second, so...
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #266 on: August 27, 2014, 06:58:13 am »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods.

Dude they are black and red, that means evil. Color coded for your convenience XD
Aw, come on. Maybe they're just degenerate gamblers?
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #267 on: August 27, 2014, 08:39:49 am »

Maan, those words. Callin' chaos evil space gods.

Dude they are black and red, that means evil. Color coded for your convenience XD
Silly, only one of them is red. The others are blue (well, technically more like warp rainbow but whatever), pink/purple, and green. Clearly that means they're upstanding bastions of goodness, royalty, and loyal watchmen of the woodlands. I suppose khorne can be evil, though, sure. Three out of five ain't bad insofar as good/evil spectrum of human-centric space gods go.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #268 on: August 27, 2014, 09:09:37 am »

Can you really consider Slaanesh a human-centric space god though? Yes, the other gods were created/born during some of the darkest times of humanity which sorta implies that all of the other alien races aren't as special/warp-favoured but whatever however Slaanesh was created by the Eldar partying way too much. And if I remember correctly he/she/it gets first dibs on their souls if they die. Which is why the Eldar use soulstones to keep their souls safe. And the Dark Eldar... Don't give a shit or something? I don't know, my WH40k lore is pretty rusty. But to me Slaanesh seems to be connected to the Eldar than to the Empire.
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Re: Chapter Master - In the name of the Emperor!
« Reply #269 on: August 27, 2014, 09:13:49 am »

Dark Eldar steal the soul force of captives to prolong their own lives. Asdrubael Vect, their "leader", I believe was alive when the Eldar split apart about 10,000 years ago.
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