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[4maskwolf]

Oh for the love of...

vote end game in draw

Sorry, but bejesus this is so pointless.

I know who the scum is with 99.9% certainty, but I can't take the risk on the .1% this late in the game.

[Worldmaster27]

Oh for the love of...

vote end game in draw

Sorry, but bejesus this is so pointless.

I know who the scum is with 99.9% certainty, but I can't take the risk on the .1% this late in the game.

Care to share? You can't be penalized for giving us your thoughts and it may win the game for us.

We're here to learn how to play the game, and we won't get the most information by ending this in a draw.

Oppose draw

[4maskwolf]

Oh for the love of...

vote end game in draw

Sorry, but bejesus this is so pointless.

I know who the scum is with 99.9% certainty, but I can't take the risk on the .1% this late in the game.

Care to share? You can't be penalized for giving us your thoughts and it may win the game for us.

We're here to learn how to play the game, and we won't get the most information by ending this in a draw.

Oppose draw

Right, I'm an IC.
oppose draw
tn is playing a clever game, but it's not particularly hard for me to see through.  I have actually (as scum) accused someone of doing exactly what they are doing (when they were legit town jailkeep).  When it turned out there was a cop in the game, the odds of there being a jailkeeper went from 66% to 50%, and when nobody volunteered information at the end of the game, tn took a chance (there was nothing else to lose, they were going to be lynched if they didn't say something) and claimed jailkeep.  The beauty of a jailkeep claim is that if you claim to roleblock the same target repeatedly and don't kill, the town may eventually lynch your target instead of you, and you can actually win the game.  It is certainly a commendable effort, but yeah, you're scum.

On the other hand, there is the very, VERY slight chance that they are jailkeep and the scum is Worldmaster.  At this stage in the game, I really don't feel like taking chances, but the longer this game goes on...

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

I know who the scum is with 99.9% certainty, but I can't take the risk on the .1% this late in the game.

Hey, just tell us your thoughts. Plus, is drawing really that much better then losing?

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Oh, ninja'd.

[4maskwolf]

Oh, ninja'd.

Happens to everyone.

[Tiruin]

Right so...I've gotten a nice PM from Jim regarding the state of the game--and it seems better for everyone if I really end this in a draw (though its seriously a lame ending), given the time invested to...results.
As stated, this game is for learning, given the setup. I cheerfully hope y'all have learned what this certain situation presents, and the consequences of such in the balance?

One tip on resolving it: Dayplay, and scumhunting. There comes a time, in all Mafia games, wherein the 'massclaim' or the role power claim doesn't fully equate a win or a sense of certainty--this is where deduction, reasoning and holistic scumhunting is nudged in.

And I can't say any more because impartiality. :I


[MYLO]

Vote standings:

• (1) tn5421 - Worldmaster27
• (0) Worldmaster27 -
• (0) Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum -
• (0) 4maskwolf -
• (2) No Lynch - tn5421, Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum
  Draw Game?  - 2 opposed

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[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Yeah, ending in a draw seems best, but I want to end it better then that... *shrugs* I guess a loss is better then a draw to me.

tn5421, you seem the scummiest out of all of us. Worldmaster hasn't done much to seem scummy, and Fourmaskwolf would have attacked someone by now. Whereas you, well you did that whole descent into madness thing, and there is only a 50% chance there even is a jailkeeper.

[Tiruin]

[...]and there is only a 50% chance there even is a jailkeeper.

*bloop*!
Before we draw into those kinds of things, I'll let all know that the way mods distribute roles per BM is...well, rolled for, to say the least. Not coded by a hard percentage (or at least of any of the games I've seen in this whole board).

Meaning There can be a Rolecop without Cop or Jailkeeper, and such.

[4maskwolf]

tn5421, I'm going to take the risk, because I'm pretty sure it's you.

[tn5421]

yay, town would rather lose than attempt to make sense

[tn5421]

Yeah, ending in a draw seems best, but I want to end it better then that... *shrugs* I guess a loss is better then a draw to me.

tn5421, you seem the scummiest out of all of us. Worldmaster hasn't done much to seem scummy, and Fourmaskwolf would have attacked someone by now. Whereas you, well you did that whole descent into madness thing, and there is only a 50% chance there even is a jailkeeper.

If you really believe that, then I'm done playing with you.

It tell me that neither you or world are at all familiar with my meta.

How could we be familiar with it? This is our (or at least my) first game of mafia with you.

Are we supposed to just take your word that you're jailor?</rhetorical questions> You're just as easily scum not killing any one.

Why should we not put stock into the scum tells?

Let me add onto Cptn's question in the way I think she meant it: "If you're town, why would you want to set a trap for your teammates?"

I don't see how appearing as scum would "catch scum" any more than suspicious town members.

Read the parts I bolded and tell me that is a 100% protown stance to take.

Now, show me the seafront property you're selling in Kansas.

Mafia is a game of interaction.  Your refusal to have any legitimate discussion with me hurts the game.
You completely and utterly refuse to believe that there is any possibility of you being wrong.  This attitude has no place in a game of mafia, and certainly makes me feel better about what I'm going to do, which would be permaban worthy in just about any other circumstance.

Your refusal to calm down and stop insulting us or even try to have a debate is what paints you as scum. You refuse to to believe that there is any possibility of your being wrong either.

How have I thrown the game? Voting for someone I'm sure is scum isn't throwing the game - it's playing it.

I'll withdraw my vote for a no-lynch if you or 4mask can convince me that a no-lynch is better. (in 4p mylo, 1scum/3town)

You're threatening to rage quit if we don't immediately switch our votes to align with yours?

It's "suboptimal" because if we lynch you, then we win right?

Insulting us won't convince anyone of the contrary.

PPE: When was the last time you answered any question? Whether or not you thought it was to paint you as scum.

We don't need to do that - you're doing it well enough on your own.

Go ahead, tell me I'm the only person acting scummy.
I'll wait.

[tn5421]

Oh, and I would like to report Worldmaster for

He would still have to convince you all that he's jailor, and if he did kill someone during the night after claiming that he was jailor he would have to explain away his lack of diligence as he let the scum kill town. If people still believed him in the slightest, that is.

Well, I mean if he had done it before. He said he was blocking you, it would have been easy to kill me/fourmaskwolf and blame it on the other. The longer he waits, the less likely fourmaskwolf and I are to be scum.

No, because I'm auto-scum unless I'm the one that dies.  "Fakeclaiming" as you stated would not be my best available option as scum.  I would have simply claimed cop with a guilty on 4wolf to play into the World/Cptn friendship thing going on.
You don't have to believe me, of course, but it doesn't change the fact that you're throwing away your last and probably only PR, as well as auto-losing the game, by lynching me.

Cptn: I haven't been posting because I haven't felt that there's anything to post about. The mafia hasn't killed anyone in a few days, supposedly because I'm being blocked, and there otherwise hasn't been much activity.

I've also become a bit disinterested in the game since there's nothing happening.

Another thing to think about: tn5 has said that he's blocking me, right? Well, if he is mafia, what's stopping him from choosing not to kill anyone and then he can safely say that he's jailor, a role that isn't currently in the game. No one can dispute him, everyone but the accused thinks he's actually the jailor and they lynch a townie. The next night, he'll kill someone and win.

Your reasoning here rings rake to me.  You're doing everything in your power to push all suspicion off of yourself and onto me.

[4maskwolf]

Oh, and I would like to report Worldmaster for

He would still have to convince you all that he's jailor, and if he did kill someone during the night after claiming that he was jailor he would have to explain away his lack of diligence as he let the scum kill town. If people still believed him in the slightest, that is.

Well, I mean if he had done it before. He said he was blocking you, it would have been easy to kill me/fourmaskwolf and blame it on the other. The longer he waits, the less likely fourmaskwolf and I are to be scum.

No, because I'm auto-scum unless I'm the one that dies.  "Fakeclaiming" as you stated would not be my best available option as scum.  I would have simply claimed cop with a guilty on 4wolf to play into the World/Cptn friendship thing going on.
You don't have to believe me, of course, but it doesn't change the fact that you're throwing away your last and probably only PR, as well as auto-losing the game, by lynching me.

Busted
Cop died already.

[Worldmaster27]

...What do you want me to see? Your point flew over my head, if there was one to begin with. Here, I'll address each of the bolded segments.

"How could we be familiar with [your meta game]"
I don't see how this is scummy, it's me honestly telling you that I don't know what your meta is.

"just take your word [that you're jailor]"
You can't give much proof beyond saying that you've been jailing me, which as 4mask and myself have said before, could just be a ploy.

"in the way I think she meant it: "If you're town[...]"
How's this scummy? I was trying to help clarify what I thought was what she meant.

"what paints you as scum. You refuse to to believe that there is any possibility of your being wrong either."
I admit that this possibly could have been worded better, but you haven't been doing a good job of appearing as town.

"convince me that a no-lynch is better."
What's wrong with this? If I'm thinking that you should be lynched but you want a no-lynch, why shouldn't you try to convince me that your point of view is better?

"immediately"
This was a hyperbole. I suppose I should have put </exaggeration> right after it, no?

PPE(x2)
As far as not the best possibility goes, claiming cop would be the worst. Krevsin was the cop, and he's dead. As 4mask said.

"I haven't felt that there's anything to post about." & "I've also become a bit disinterested"
When you say reasoning, I assume you mean reasoning for not posting? Even so, I don't see how this is pushing any suspicion from me to you.
<nitpicking>

"Fakeclaiming" as you stated

I didn't. It was implied, but I didn't state it. I don't get why you need the quotation marks. </nitpicking>