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Author Topic: Beginner's Mafia XLIX: The Journalist Underground | Mafia Victory  (Read 70178 times)

Nerjin

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XLIX: The Journalist Underground | D1 has begun.
« Reply #105 on: August 23, 2014, 11:11:22 pm »

It does not. But looking over them I really have ntohing to say. Sorry kiddo. However, since you're here. What is your oppinion of the current situation?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XLIX: The Journalist Underground | D1 has begun.
« Reply #106 on: August 23, 2014, 11:27:13 pm »

I think everyone overreacted, and that shows either beginner's worry, or actual scummyness.

Alleecat over reacted to a joke, and that is suspicious, but it could actually be a misunderstanding. But then Comrade Shamrock is acting like he wants to make that into a lynch, which I think is scummy. I'm not going to vote yet though.

Comrade has 2 votes, and Allee has 2 votes. That correct?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XLIX: The Journalist Underground
« Reply #107 on: August 23, 2014, 11:42:59 pm »

The Underground seemed to stretch for a mile underneath, with connecting passages and tunnels furnished with spartan embellishments: the usage of fluorescence and natural flora both lit, beautified and ventilated the area, respectively. Any piping system crossing the tunnels was so subtle that the natural 'corners' of each passage were but blended piping and mechanisms for the many facilities within.

It was the first day, and a slight chill pervaded the area. You feel a faint vibration coming from far away, beneath. It sounds like a rhythmic and hollow hum.





Vote standings:

  • (2) AlleeCat - Comrade Shamrock; My Name is Immaterial
  • (0) Worldmaster27 -
  • (0) My Name is Immaterial -
  • (2) Comrade Shamrock - TheDarkStar; Nerjin
  • (0) TheDarkStar -
  • (0) Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum -
  • (0) Krevsin -
  • (0) Nerjin -
  • (0) Silthuri -


Day 1 has begun and will end at August 26, 2014 [Tuesday]  9:00 pm [GMT//UTC +8]

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Comrade has 2 votes, and Allee has 2 votes. That correct?
Yes. :3
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« Reply #108 on: August 24, 2014, 12:08:53 am »

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I think I am withdrawing my vote for now. I want to sleep on it first. Unvote.

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« Reply #109 on: August 24, 2014, 01:15:52 am »

Well, my internet is now stable again.

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Comrade: The town is about to lynch MNiI, who defends by claiming he is a role. What do you do?
AleeCat: The cop finds out that TheDarkStar is scum, and TheDarkStar reacts by claiming you are his scumbuddy. How do you defend yourself?
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« Reply #110 on: August 24, 2014, 01:36:50 am »

I reread my post and discovered that it did come off as a little jumpy. I didn't mean it that way. The fact was that I didn't know how investigations were working and whether or not he was trying to reveal himself and pin me as a suspect. This combined with my being loopy on pain meds and having very poor word choice because of that did not make for a very good post, I'm afraid.

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« Reply #111 on: August 24, 2014, 04:25:16 am »

Krevsin:
Push him, ask him who he was going to use his power on and why. Then vote him to see if he starts trying to shove the power role down our throats, like ''Don't lynch me because I am [Insert power role]''. An excessive amount of these and if he puts up only other token defences then I am definitely going to vote him for real.

Nerjin:
Terribly sorry about the nagging you over posts. But I find the best way to get someone to respond is by annoying them. They then explode in righteous fury. It may not be the best way to go about it but it usually works.

Further Detail for DarkStar and others:
Allee made a post.
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This seemed odd to me. She had an entire post for saying she was glad that her lack of posts hadn't brought her down. Now, apologies in advance Nerjin, the ICs hadn't been particularly active. Nerjin hadn't posted at all. Silthuri also had only one post by that time, the same number as Allee but longer. So, I thinking along the lines of 'Nerjin, an IC hasn't posted and yet Allee seems quite concerned.' She was concerned enough to make an entire post dedicated to her lack of posts and the P.S. apologising for typos in advance. Now this in a post that was asking questions or answering them probably wouldn't have been suspicious to me at all. But on its own I found it suspicious. It seemed to be posting for just putting out worries and possibly someone with a mafia agenda with expressing their worry.

Now this led to me asking these questions.
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Now, the FOS was there to apply pressure. The questions were there to get why she was so worried.
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She answered the questions satisfactorily and initially allayed my suspicions.

But then her overreaction to the joke Immaterial made brought them back even stronger. She seems to immediately jump to investigation as a possibility. I don't know why she would jump to that if she was town. Then she goes to say 'last I checked', this seems to me that she's blaming Immaterial for not immediately assuming that she couldn't possibly be anything other than town. Then she states that she is suspicious of Immaterial. This appears to me like she is sending a light accusation his way without actually accusing him. No FoS or vote which would have been a much stronger OMGUS which is probably why it wasn't done. But this seems to me like she was trying to shift attention from her to her accuser in a sly manner. I found this scummy as it says to me, 'don't attack me attack him.'

This is where I changed from FoS to voting.

The last part, which is bolded, is what furthers my suspicions. She exaggerates his post in a vicious way. This seems to be a continuation of the don't attack me attack him (not sure what to call it. Don't attack me, attack him plan?). It just all seems scummy to me or I just could be reading too much into this.

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Now, Nerjin I apologise again for annoying you about posts and using it again but they did play a part in my reasoning.
Everyone, feel free to demolish my case if you don't agree.

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« Reply #112 on: August 24, 2014, 07:29:02 am »

AlleeCat: Why is it that you sometimes seem to be not responding to questions posed at you? It seems a bit scummy to me if you don't answer questions, especially if you've otherwise been more or less active in the thread. Also when a question was in the post directly above yours, which you ignored.
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« Reply #113 on: August 24, 2014, 09:43:13 am »

You should only use Spoilers if you're doing a HUGE quote-pyramid or as a sorting mechanism. Keep in mind, also, that people do NOT read walls of text. Once your post grows to a certain point it becomes a  skimming. It sucks, but that's how it is.

Comrade, you are really just reading too much into this. I'm not sure if it's because you're new or whatever but you are. She misread a joke. It happens. But let's go with it eh?

You cite the overreaction to the joke, her saying "Last I checked...", and her saying "Immaterial is saying "I know Allee is scum..." yes? That seems to be your three main points. Let's examine them.

Overreaction to Joke

You state that her overreaction to the gun thing is scummy because it is A) A joke, B) Sending suspicion her attackers way.

Well, A) Jokes don't transfer well. What may seem like a joke to you will seem like a serious attack to someone else. It is the medium of the game to blame for this. B) Imagine that someone is claiming they know for a FACT that you're scum [which is what Allee thought at the time] and you know that you are NOT scum. But they phrase it in a way that seems like it may be less of a direct accusation so you're not sure if they're actually saying they think that or not. Wouldn't you be a little wary?

Last I checked

This isn't really worth mentioning. People have little writing tics that just happen. She was likely just typing what came to mind and typed that out. It doesn't mean anything.

Allee: "Immaterial basically said "I know Allee is scum etc. etc.

Is your last point. You state that this is an exaggeration of Immaterial's post. I agree. It is an exaggeration. However, that doesn't mean anything. She wasn't attacking him at that point so far as I could see. She was exaggerating it to prove a point. It happens kiddo. I just don't see this as a problem.
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« Reply #114 on: August 24, 2014, 09:44:09 am »

You should only use Spoilers if you're doing a HUGE quote-pyramid or as a sorting mechanism. Keep in mind, also, that people do NOT read walls of text. Once your post grows to a certain point it becomes a  skimming. It sucks, but that's how it is.

Comrade, you are really just reading too much into this. I'm not sure if it's because you're new or whatever but you are. She misread a joke. It happens. But let's go with it eh?

You cite the overreaction to the joke, her saying "Last I checked...", and her saying "Immaterial is saying "I know Allee is scum..." yes? That seems to be your three main points. Let's examine them.

Overreaction to Joke

You state that her overreaction to the gun thing is scummy because it is A) A joke, B) Sending suspicion her attackers way.

Well, A) Jokes don't transfer well. What may seem like a joke to you will seem like a serious attack to someone else. It is the medium of the game to blame for this. B) Imagine that someone is claiming they know for a FACT that you're scum [which is what Allee thought at the time] and you know that you are NOT scum. But they phrase it in a way that seems like it may be less of a direct accusation so you're not sure if they're actually saying they think that or not. Wouldn't you be a little wary?

Last I checked

This isn't really worth mentioning. People have little writing tics that just happen. She was likely just typing what came to mind and typed that out. It doesn't mean anything.

Allee: "Immaterial basically said "I know Allee is scum etc. etc.

Is your last point. You state that this is an exaggeration of Immaterial's post. I agree. It is an exaggeration. However, that doesn't mean anything. She wasn't attacking him at that point so far as I could see. She was exaggerating it to prove a point. It happens kiddo. I just don't see this as a problem.

How the above should have looked.
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« Reply #115 on: August 24, 2014, 12:26:28 pm »

Nerjin:
Sorry didn't read that, was too busy skimming.  :P
Now in all seriousness, thanks for the advice on format.

Immaterial:
What made you decide to reconsider your vote?

DarkStar:
Who, besides me, do you have on your list of likely scum?

Allee:
Following Nerjin making my argument making my argument look as strong as paper I am rescinding my vote. Unvote

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« Reply #116 on: August 24, 2014, 12:30:23 pm »

If another player makes you feel like your argument is too weak you should take a lot of time looking for another person [or even the same person] who looks scummy to you and start building a case on them. It's disheartening to find out that your case is weak when you feel it was strong. Just remember, there ARE scum. So keep looking. You'll find them eventually.

I should also point out that I still suspect Allee of being scum. I suspect everyone of being scum. That's just how I look at things. The scum could be any one of us. He could be you. He could be me. He could even be [redacted].

So keep an eye out. Don't trust anyone. But don't be totally paranoid either.
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« Reply #117 on: August 24, 2014, 12:41:40 pm »

Immaterial:
What made you decide to reconsider your vote?
I realized that it was a rather weak arguement, and that tactically, I would be better off not voting based on the information provided this turn.

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« Reply #118 on: August 24, 2014, 01:25:09 pm »

AlleeCat: Why is it that you sometimes seem to be not responding to questions posed at you? It seems a bit scummy to me if you don't answer questions, especially if you've otherwise been more or less active in the thread. Also when a question was in the post directly above yours, which you ignored.
I've been responding to every question I've noticed. If you ould point out some questions I didn't answer that you would like me to, please go ahead and quote them.

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« Reply #119 on: August 24, 2014, 01:32:43 pm »

Immaterial:
Are you sure there was no other motive? Was it actually just a realisation that my argument was weak?

Cptn:
So far, you have been very passive. You have only responded to questions never asked them. Is there a reason behind this or are you just letting us lynch ourselves?
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