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Wastedlabor

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Re: Economy. Uh oh!
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2014, 04:35:05 am »

Welp, you can still buy stuff from the traders with coins.
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2014, 10:49:43 am »

I'll laugh when it's an actual Rothschild
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Dyret

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2014, 11:25:45 am »

Will do. No, just an evil Austrian Rothschild.
my bet was the real Bob Dylan.
I wonder do any celebs play DF
most are too stupid and focus on clothes. hell, ill be surprised if they could work COD

That's entirely untrue. I mean, yeah, fame and success can quickly go to your head, but that's true for all of us. Besides, clothes are important. :P
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2014, 12:14:42 pm »

Will do. No, just an evil Austrian Rothschild.
my bet was the real Bob Dylan.
I wonder do any celebs play DF
most are too stupid and focus on clothes. hell, ill be surprised if they could work COD

That's entirely untrue. I mean, yeah, fame and success can quickly go to your head, but that's true for all of us. Besides, clothes are important. :P
i was just kidding man, do you seriously think i am that stupid?
i still doubt any major celebs play though.
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Dyret

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2014, 01:04:33 pm »

Well, the Internets being what it is it's easy to assume the worst. Besides, some celebrities go out of their way to perpetuate the stereotype, so I wouldn't really fault anyone for being disillusioned.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2014, 03:37:46 pm »

Well, the Internets being what it is it's easy to assume the worst. Besides, some celebrities go out of their way to perpetuate the stereotype, so I wouldn't really fault anyone for being disillusioned.
guess so.
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'What is life?', you ask. Fundamentally life is the apotheosis of pointlessness. We live to multiple. But what for? The Endless cycle of carnage pulls hardest on the furthest victim. An inescapable fate; one no one wants but we all desire. The more immoral we become the more ideal we are. A perverse oxymoron. We who live unencumbered but are the most burdened. We fight but at the end it is all for naught, as in life there are no winners; only the undistinguished.

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Torchy

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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2014, 04:58:36 pm »

Will do. No, just an evil Austrian Rothschild.
my bet was the real Bob Dylan.
I wonder do any celebs play DF
most are too stupid and focus on clothes. hell, ill be surprised if they could work COD

That's entirely untrue. I mean, yeah, fame and success can quickly go to your head, but that's true for all of us. Besides, clothes are important. :P
i was just kidding man, do you seriously think i am that stupid?
i still doubt any major celebs play though.

Vin Diesel might have played, if I had to guess one.
He's apparently pretty hardcore into video games and tabletop RPGs; he'd have the right background of interests for it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 05:47:38 pm »

Vin Diesel might have played, if I had to guess one.
He's apparently pretty hardcore into video games and tabletop RPGs; he'd have the right background of interests for it.
I thought you wrote, "He's apparently pretty handsome."
I was going to chastise you for not being able to see the obvious for yourself.
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Lightningy

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2014, 05:00:26 am »

lol. got to love how this topic got derailed
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'What is life?', you ask. Fundamentally life is the apotheosis of pointlessness. We live to multiple. But what for? The Endless cycle of carnage pulls hardest on the furthest victim. An inescapable fate; one no one wants but we all desire. The more immoral we become the more ideal we are. A perverse oxymoron. We who live unencumbered but are the most burdened. We fight but at the end it is all for naught, as in life there are no winners; only the undistinguished.

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Maggarg - Eater of chicke

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2014, 08:07:55 am »

really its quite evident given their cashless, free-access economy and taste for bloody revolt that dwarves are all staunch Marxists (a theory borne out by the fact that Karl Marx was clearly a dwarf given his magnificent beard and penchant for getting rascally drunk with Engels)


 
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2014, 08:21:48 am »

The problem you have is that since the game is massively skewed to give the player a resource advantage and balanced only by an equal level of challenge in sieges/invasions.
Because trade caravans will buy ANYTHING you sell regardless of their own demand, its very easy to stack up Dwarf Bucks whilst the same isn't true of the outside world.

Much like many MMOs, the goal is to keep the players excited and that usually means loot+loot+loot.
When that loot is tradeable this then becomes an issue where the economy is bloated to a crazy degree and players of high enough level and play-time just walk around in the best gear and have bloated bank accounts.

EVE-online has one of the most convulted economies in all MMOs i have seen. Unsure if they got it right or suffer the same problem but its intense from what I hear (as I dont play EVE)

So personally, I think that if they develop the economics of DF, it will dramatically change the current way DF plays and change it from what can be much of a roguelike into an RTS or Sim game.

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2014, 08:08:46 am »

EVE-online has one of the most convulted economies in all MMOs i have seen. Unsure if they got it right or suffer the same problem but its intense from what I hear (as I dont play EVE)

I do.

Most of the economy is player driven/player run.

Most of the modules/ship parts/spaceships are produced by other players.

The economy of EVE, like the real one, can be "gamed" and/or exploited for personal gains/!!fun!!.

Then.. I am an ex FC (Fleet Commander), currently playing intermittenly. ;)
I never dabbled too much into economy ;)
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2014, 10:48:54 am »

Back during 0.31 and 0.34, it was observed that using DFHack to forcibly turn on the Dwarven Economy would cause the game to crash, and angavrilov and I figured out exactly what was causing it and reported it to Toady, and supposedly he fixed the underlying code.

However, subsequent testing with the latest version seems to indicate that a few important parts of the economy no longer exist within the code - "Collect Taxes" jobs never get created on the tax collector (and "Guard Tax Collector" jobs don't get created on royal guards), and job salaries never get initialized (normally, that happened during economy activation when the proper nobles arrived).
« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 12:42:34 pm by Quietust »
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2014, 12:50:14 pm »

However, subsequent testing with the latest version seems to indicate that a few important parts of the economy no longer exist within the code - "Collect Taxes" jobs never get created on the tax collector (and "Guard Tax Collector" jobs don't get created on royal guards), and job salaries never get initialized (normally, that happened during economy activation when the proper nobles arrived).
I half-expected activating the economy to cause a pop-up "Not yet, Quietust."
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2014, 02:25:54 pm »

most are too stupid and focus on clothes. hell, ill be surprised if they could work COD

Hey! I'm not a celebrity, but I am stupid, and I care about clothes. And I play DF. Sooo....
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