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[Cthulhu]

man, really glad i came over here to read about what's in the new videos and got ten fucking pages of people saying the same two things over and over

[Jopax]

You can jump to any random page in the last 150ish and not know if it's current posts or not tbh. It's amazing how much circular non-discussion can come out of an essentially non-existant game.

[SangerZonvolt]

I'd suggest instead of endless arguments, that those who are so convinced they've got him dead to rights on fraud should go and bring a law suite. It seems like you believe it's an easy win, so I'd suggest you do it and get your money back/the money of others back.

I think we are sure itīs a certain win, not an easy one. As it stands such a legal battle can take a lot more money than any of us put into the project and it would take weeks, possibly months or years to complete that trial. So while sure to win, still not worth the effort.

[nenjin]

So while sure to win, still not worth the effort.

But don't let that stop anyone from armchair lawyering the thread ad nauseam.

[Cruxador]

man, really glad i came over here to read about what's in the new videos and got ten fucking pages of people saying the same two things over and over

I mean, I watched the videos and couldn't really say specifically what's in them. It's more or less just and overview of a few of the overwhelmingly many numbers and features in a single PoI.

[Zangi]

Seriously, the 'this is fraud' postings are a broken record.  Next whatever sort of update, we will get another 5 pages of people repeating the mantra. 

My opinion: just put up the lawsuit or stfu
Ain't gonna find someone to do it for you.

[Damiac]

You know what's worse than the armchair lawyering, that has actual content and discussion?

Every time the discussion comes to the obvious and same conclusion it's fraud, you guys suddenly decide you don't want to talk about it, and spend the rest of the page talking about it, until all that's left on the front page is you guys complaining about people discussing that it's fraud.

Seriously, you "Stop talking about it" guys haven't said a damn thing since the videos were posted.  Why don't you follow your own advice? Rather than drowning out the logic, then repeating the same false arguments again to start the circle over.

Your arguments have been shown to be false repeatedly. It costs nothing to contact AG or FTC, lawyers will take cases for a percentage of the winnings if they think it will win.

[Cthulhu]

you have no skin in this game dude, you said yourself you didn't pledge.  all you've done is shit up the thread with the same posts over and over

fuck off

[nenjin]

Every time the discussion comes to the obvious and same conclusion it's fraud

You come to the same conclusion. Then badger some here because we don't agree with you or agree that it's obvious or clear cut.

[ChairmanPoo]

Its a scam. Guy said he had a working game. Guy hasnt provided a working game. 

Its interesting to see the goalpost shift. TWS hopefuls said thst he never said he had a working game, and then when it was shown that it was (and is!) in the kickstarter, the rationale has shifted to "Working game doesnt actually mean a working game"(?!?!?)

[Jopax]

It's hardly a discussion when neither side is actually listening to the other but instead talking past them. Nobody comes here to have their mind changed or to discuss the damn thing, just to repeat what was said before until the other side gives up and goes away, it's kinda fascinating to observe tbh.

[ChairmanPoo]

I can tell you that I personally find it annoying that skepticism about this game is disregarded as a conspiracy theory when four years after the fact we have nothing but hot air.

[Persus13]

I can tell you that I personally find it annoying that skepticism about this game is disregarded as a conspiracy theory when four years after the fact we have nothing but hot air.

I don't think anyone's treating fraud as a conspiracy theory. Its certainly a possibility, the issue is that there are other possibilities that people think make more sense.

What's interesting is that The Mandate thread just got necroed, and it appears to be an example of a funded kickstarter that failed to deliver anything, yet there's not a 150 page debate over that game being fraudulent.

[Xgamer4]

Yeah, the That Which Sleeps community (at least on Bay12) has the dubious distinction of being the most outwardly angry and toxic Kickstarter community I've backed. And that's impressive - I've backed campaigns that actually had worse project management (an update every 4ish months would be a *good rate* for some of them), and I've even backed a campaign that I'm pretty sure was a legitimate scam.

[USEC_OFFICER]

What's interesting is that The Mandate thread just got necroed, and it appears to be an example of a funded kickstarter that failed to deliver anything, yet there's not a 150 page debate over that game being fraudulent.

Back when Joe was still around and Josh was just entering his hermit phase, there was one guy who was convinced the game was a scam. Like irrationally convinced. The official word was that the game would be entering the backer beta once the AI was sorted out and nothing alarming had happened yet. The delays were explained by the stretch goals that needed accommodating and everyone presumed that Josh clamming up was due to him working hard. So you had this one guy ranting about how the kickstarter was a scam while everyone else was feeling charitable or wary as appropriate.

Fast forward a year or so. Joe has left over a lack of communication, Josh has released barely-functioning tools to save face, so on and so forth. Suddenly the guy saying it's a scam doesn't look so crazy. Maybe he's right now. At the same another school of thought forms which is convinced that the game isn't a scam. Why would Josh put in all of that time and effort to string everyone along for 2+ years after he has already gotten their money?

The argument proceeds to devolve from there. That Which Sleeps didn't deliver nothing quietly. It did so with much fanfare and noise.