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Egan_BW

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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2850 on: December 04, 2017, 01:35:33 am »

What part of anything that's happened has given you idea that he might possibly have his shit together.
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« Reply #2851 on: December 04, 2017, 08:09:58 am »

The thing that I just can't understand is how he managed to mess this up. The only reason that he's late is because he's the one who gave us a timeline.

He could've said that he'd be putting out a video every month. Hell, he could've just put this one out and not said anything at all about future videos.

Given the first video, I also don't understand why he didn't have (at least) several videos worth of content, just playing the game that he was currently running.

Honestly, as someone who has seen clinical anxiety and depression at very close range, this doesn't surprise me at all. Breathtakingly simple tasks that should require no effort can become huge, nigh-impossible things entirely because of self-imposed significance and implication; they may be seeking to move forward, and they may have identified a path to do so, but it may feel entirely impossible to stay on the path they set - possibly just because doing so would mean succeeding, and they've convinced themself that is something they can't do; possibly because doing the simple task has been conflated with doing everything they'd need to do after that task; possibly any other number of wholly irrational reasons driven by fear, self-loathing, etc.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2852 on: December 04, 2017, 11:13:24 am »

Is there actually anyone who really thinks this game is going to come out at some point?
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2853 on: December 04, 2017, 11:58:26 am »

I didn't, until the latest video. There just seems to be way too much work put into it for it to just be a scam - I mean, there's complete flavor text for items which are only on-screen for moments (as he's scrolling over to something else).

Now, whether or not the game will actually ever be released, or if it will remain in a 99%-complete state on the developer's computer forevermore as he tweaks it to perfection for the next decade... well... that remains to be seen.

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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2854 on: December 04, 2017, 12:04:50 pm »

I've never thought the game to be a scam, just a perfect storm of stress, pressure, mental anguish and death-by-poor-management combined with Kickstarter feature bloat.
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« Reply #2855 on: December 05, 2017, 09:55:55 pm »

I've never thought the game to be a scam, just a perfect storm of stress, pressure, mental anguish and death-by-poor-management combined with Kickstarter feature bloat.

I agree with this statement...

While bummed, I do always keep my expectations at kickstarter low. That being said he has not completely disappeared, perhaps because he is a good guy trying to do right, or perhaps because he is afraid of dire legal consequences. Obviously doing so through his own free will is prefered but either one will result in a game.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2856 on: December 05, 2017, 10:27:17 pm »

I've never thought the game to be a scam, just a perfect storm of stress, pressure, mental anguish and death-by-poor-management combined with Kickstarter feature bloat.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2857 on: December 06, 2017, 12:22:51 am »

The thing that I just can't understand is how he managed to mess this up. The only reason that he's late is because he's the one who gave us a timeline.

He could've said that he'd be putting out a video every month. Hell, he could've just put this one out and not said anything at all about future videos.

Given the first video, I also don't understand why he didn't have (at least) several videos worth of content, just playing the game that he was currently running.

That's exactly my impression as well, and the developer's tendency to constantly provide deadlines which were constantly missed (regarding update video etc.) was the only reason why I did not back the Kickstarter; it indicates poor management skills which is very oft cause of delays.

I never understood why some indie devs give out unnecessary deadlines in such a way. There's a case of Rain World, which promoted its new massive update way too soon, suggesting fall release. In reality, public beta was finally released on November 30 due to long Q&A process. Plenty of the game's community members expressed discontent for this delay, which would not have happened if the dev's earlier promotion of the update did not set expectations.

Another case is Darkest Dungeon. Developer promised multiple times that Korean translation would be available through their communications with unofficial translators and on twitch chat. They have failed to meet this statement, and after years of no official news and multiple DLC updates (which pushes translation effort further), some Korean gamers are viewing the game pretty negatively at the moment.

Compare these cases to Routine. This rogue-like horror game hasn't been released several years after the promised release date, but nobody really gives significant attention to it because the dev team is keeping absolute radio silence, rarely giving (almost yearly) updates just to state that the project haven't been completely abandoned.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2858 on: December 06, 2017, 12:37:04 am »

I almost think a good strategy is to just let everyone think the project is dead, and only pop back into existence a couple months before you can release the thing.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2859 on: December 06, 2017, 12:38:24 am »

I almost think a good strategy is to just let everyone think the project is dead, and only pop back into existence a couple months before you can release the thing.

And if nothing else get massive internet props for the play on the title.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2860 on: December 06, 2017, 01:11:31 am »

I almost think a good strategy is to just let everyone think the project is dead, and only pop back into existence a couple months before you can release the thing.

And if nothing else get massive internet props for the play on the title.
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2861 on: December 06, 2017, 12:35:53 pm »

Well I guess the weekly videos arent happening
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« Reply #2862 on: December 07, 2017, 11:29:49 am »

Well I guess the weekly videos arent happening

this could have been post from 3 years ago
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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2863 on: December 07, 2017, 12:18:03 pm »

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Re: That which sleeps- Kickstarted!
« Reply #2864 on: December 07, 2017, 12:26:12 pm »

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I mean, I don't really see the point. I'm sure he'll post another video in a few months to stave off the kickstarter police/FTC/some state attorney general.
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