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[Urist McScoopbeard]

Why set these harsh standards when the ball's already been dropped? What is it about this game that brings out incredible pettiness??? Just let it die. If something does come out, great, but it has literally been yanking people's chains for nearly four years now. "Shadows Behind The Throne" exists as an alternative even.

[birdy51]

I think it's (mostly) all just in good fun. I know I am at least, hopeful for his success and quietly rooting for him, even as I hedge my bets on a late video.

[Mephansteras]

I for one am not stressed about when this game actually arrives. It will or it won't, and the show is amusing by itself at this point.

[nenjin]

I feel like Season 1 was better though.

[Sindain]

Yeah that was when the ideas were the freshest. They've just been rehashing the same storyline ever since.

[Serenseven]

The plot is definitely not moving as swiftly as I'd like, and there's not even been any real character development in the meantime.

Special effects and lighting have improved, though.

[lordcooper]

Stating that if someone doesn't meet their self set schedule then they aren't on schedule is setting a harsh standard now? 

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Stating that if someone doesn't meet their self set schedule then they aren't on schedule is setting a harsh standard now? 

When the gentleman's track record is as bad as it is, kind of. Like... it seems to be like people are saying OKAY, NOW IF THIS FAILS, THEN IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A SCAM GRUMBLE GRUMBLE GRUMBLE, I mean like if he was a little behind on his released four years ago, ya whatever, but the damage is already done and people are still treating it like a a normal development process.

[Cthulhu]

I'll be as harsh as I fucking want, he still owes me a game.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I'll be as harsh as I fucking want, he still owes me a game.

Dude, think about how much time you've already wasted on this though, just cut your losses. Again, if the game comes out, GREAT, but why fully reignite your interest in this at the first meagre signs of life. There is absolutely no guarantee there will be anything, yet--let's at least wait and see if he's serious instead of IMMEDIATELY jumping back on to this undeserved hype train.

[Cruxador]

I'll be as harsh as I fucking want, he still owes me a game.

That's not really how kickstarter works.

[Egan_BW]

It's not really healthy to treat a kickstarter as a preorder. The whole idea behind it is that you're taking on the role of a publisher, which can be a risky position.

[ndkid]

It's not really healthy to treat a kickstarter as a preorder. The whole idea behind it is that you're taking on the role of a publisher, which can be a risky position.

Uh-oh, we're back in "argue over the legal and moral obligations of KS, and the resulting reasonableness of backers" land? I suppose it was only a matter of time.

[Cthulhu]

Kickstarter is schrodinger's preorder.  The definition changes as soon as you look at it.  Kickstarter is very careful to never refer to it as anything that would imply a definition.

Regardless of what a kickstarter is, I backed it based on what Josh described as the state of the game.  It's now clear that he lied.  If he had told the truth about the game's state I wouldn't have given him any money.

Ironically, the game might've been out by now if the kickstarter had failed.  Unless everyuthing he's told us up until now has been a lie (not completely unrealistic) the most crippling damage was all done in the name of stretch goals.

It seems like he's learned his lessons though.  The vast reams of numbers and stats leads me to believe he's going for a more systems-based than agent-based AI, if that makes sense.  Rather than AI having choices and making predictions, it just runs the numbers and comes up with a scripted reaction (e.g. orc threat is 50, cylaria is 75, but aventura hates orcs so multiply orc threat by 2, = fight orcs, buy time on cylaria)

Which ironically is probably more predictable and "deterministic" than the AI route.

[dennislp3]

Stretch goals are the bane of all KS games I have found...the more stretch goals they offer the more I shy away from a game.

Developers should fulfill the base game THEN deliver on stretch goals. Instead they all think they can keep their original deadlines and add 10 new large systems to the game.