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[Mephansteras]

Yeah,

So got a backer update the other day with the following video in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrtei2lASkM&feature=youtu.be

It's a decent chunk of actual gameplay footage. Game looks pretty functional so far. Complex, which could be good or bad, but functional. And the art all looks quite good.

I'm impressed, I didn't expect to see something so polished looking, especially after it just sort of went away for so long.

[Gornova]

oh, no ! Again.. without a proper demo.. no hope!

[forsaken1111]

Good to see he hasn't given up. It always did smell more to me like someone got in over his head rather than some kind of really poorly executed scam.

[Xantalos]

Well dang. Good to see he continued working on it. Hopefully this brings eventual fruit.

Good to see he hasn't given up. It always did smell more to me like someone got in over his head rather than some kind of really poorly executed scam.

Something along those lines, yeah. Those dang stretch goals are what did it, I reckon. But dead horses etc.

[ZeroGravitas]

Well, I'm not going to rehash whether or not this is still a scam (it is; it wasn't even this pair's first failed software company) but I see no reason to think that the new video is anything but fake.

The old videos were absolutely fake, as people uncovered on the forums since this thread was locked:

Oh god no.

After seeing this, I can never unsee it, and so I'm going to make this dramatic post about it because I don't think anyone else has mentioned it (if anyone has, I just don't remember and will feel like a massive dork for blowing this already-known information out of proportion).  Get ready fellas:

The Scenario Selection video was faked.

Big shock, I know, most of us have already assumed as much.  Fenicks said the videos were probably made with scripts, yeah?  But for me at least, I still had a sliver of faith that Josh had a working-ish beta two years ago that has just been mired in too many A.I problems to be very playable.  So maybe a few others here still hold that faith, who knows, could just be me being gullible.  So what changed me just now into writing for a couple minutes?

If you wanna figure it out yourself, watch the Scenario Selection video and make sure you're looking at the whole screen while Josh selects his choices.  If you just want me to get to my point:

At the left of the screen is a log of sorts that shows what choices you made.

Problem is, they're not the same choices Josh made.  Only the first one about the elves coincides, otherwise the rest are different.  They don't even seem to follow a pattern.  I know we've had our Danel/Dunel controversy in the past, but this seems like a whole different level of inconsistency than can be explained away with just being a typo, right?

also, josh is apparently in antifa. (ok not really, but it's too long and not worth explaining.)

[Egan_BW]

Well, I'm not going to rehash whether or not this is still a scam

>proceeds to do that and only that

[ChairmanPoo]

also, josh is apparently in antifa. (ok not really, but it's too long and not worth explaining.)

Not saying that it is or it isn't a scam, but how is this relevant about any of this.

also... before decrying this video as fake we should get an analysis of this video, not of some past video, I'm thinking...


Not that I have any faith in this project, mind you, but I found your argument a bit weak, because it did not address current news, and it proceeded to go into politics...

[E. Albright]

...particularly when you bring it up, but then immediately say it's both not accurate but too complex to actually explain.

If it's not worth explaining, it's not worth mentioning. And that's even before you factor in the "not really" bit.

[forsaken1111]

Well I'm glad to see we've dived RIGHT BACK IN to the discussion that got this locked before.

[Mephansteras]

Ok, so how about we divert this into a conversation about the video itself.

It looks pretty well polished to me. Nice art assets, various views of the map.

Also complex...lots and lots of numbers everywhere. Which I'm not opposed to in this sort of game, mind you, though it did make it a bit hard to follow along with what he was talking about sometimes.

I do like the mechanics that he showed off, though. The various agents and the actions they can do looked interesting and very much in line with the sort of thing that we'd been promised way back when.

[ZeroGravitas]

...particularly when you bring it up, but then immediately say it's both not accurate but too complex to actually explain.

If it's not worth explaining, it's not worth mentioning. And that's even before you factor in the "not really" bit.

Basically someone found the below picture of Josh on facebook:

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/c90.0.540.540/26117_576303505998_5478016_n.jpg?oh=6c17aac063830569b362e1f505ed597f&oe=5AAD3EBC

Which led to this exchange

Now, from this alone one could argue Josh is just a supporter of the Green Party, despite the fact he's pointing directly at what I believe is a variation of the Soviet flag.  That is, of course, until you see that the only groups he's a member of (or at least show he's a member of) are the Boston Industrial Workers of the World and the Boston Radicals, the latter of which has the following for their group description:

"A group that will be a place for all of the various communist, anarchist, and socialist groups in Boston to read and post events going on in the anti-capitalist communities of the Boston area."

Well, sounds like fucking Antifa then, which would have been a huge warning for me a few years back when I backed this. Because they are basically all the same:

Think they can save the world, make grand plans, but have no realistic plan at all. Then they fabricate things and images that fit their worldview and do anything to stay under the radar as soon as they have to take responsibility for what they did. Honestly, imagining Josh as a typical member of the Antifa makes too much sense.
Though there arenīt enough masked teens with flares in their hands for that to be a picture of someone supporting Antifa. (Of course I know that the Antifa is called different in Boston, but the describtion they gave themself makes me believe they are basically the same, if you add "anti-right wing", which is probably jsut expected at that point and didnīt need to be said.)

saying "josh is in antifa" is a joke about a dumb argument

[E. Albright]

...so it definitely wasn't worth mentioning.

[nenjin]

That Which Dramas.

[ZeroGravitas]

Ok, so how about we divert this into a conversation about the video itself.

It looks pretty well polished to me. Nice art assets, various views of the map.

Also complex...lots and lots of numbers everywhere. Which I'm not opposed to in this sort of game, mind you, though it did make it a bit hard to follow along with what he was talking about sometimes.

I do like the mechanics that he showed off, though. The various agents and the actions they can do looked interesting and very much in line with the sort of thing that we'd been promised way back when.

It has many of the same curious elements, like turns that process instantly. Like at 4:00 where he clicks forward two turns with two clicks and seemingly 0 processing time.

[ZeroGravitas]

...so it definitely wasn't worth mentioning.

Oh, I don't know. To the extent people are interested in knowing more about the alleged "developer" it's at least marginally interesting. It was one of the few pieces of personal information I've ever seen about him.

And actually, what I find more interesting about that picture is that he seems to be in Britain, not the US.