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[TempAcc]

Inb4 lock

That is not living which can eternal lie, and with strange years even hype may die

[Retropunch]

I really don't get why people here feel that they need to jump in and lock the thread or say 'Now that's the end of it!' when they dislike what people are talking about/want a different discussion. It's the only thing I dislike about B12.

People are talking about what they want to talk about - that can be because it helps them work out what went wrong, constructively vent their annoyances, or maybe even gain insight into how they can avoid similar pitfalls in their development. As long as they're not being abusive (which no one here is) or being purposefully offensive/annoying (again, no one here is) then there's no harm to it. It's a public forum, part of the price you pay for voicing your comments is that others can too.

Locking stuff/shouting 'end of discussion' to everything you dislike is either just being childish, or somehow claiming that your view matters more.

[forsaken1111]

Agreed. It's even more bizarre given that we were discussing a recent happening. We were on topic and talking about some information that just came out; so far as I can tell that is the purpose of this thread. If the discussion doesn't interest someone, they can easily refrain from clicking on/reading the thread.

Since the OP has not locked the thread I guess we can continue.

[Scoops Novel]

Hey, more poetry! *Waves thick, shiny lock menacingly*

[Neonivek]

Locking stuff/shouting 'end of discussion' to everything you dislike is either just being childish, or somehow claiming that your view matters more.

I've definitely seen that. Heck one time the owner of a thread basically did "OK YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!! I AM RIGHT!!! Now you cannot discuss that particular thing anymore!" then when someone contradicted them by showing actual evidence rather then supposition, they went ballistic.

Lock a thread or end a discussion... Don't use it as final word.

[Retropunch]

Locking stuff/shouting 'end of discussion' to everything you dislike is either just being childish, or somehow claiming that your view matters more.

I've definitely seen that. Heck one time the owner of a thread basically did "OK YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!! I AM RIGHT!!! Now you cannot discuss that particular thing anymore!" then when someone contradicted them by showing actual evidence rather then supposition, they went ballistic.

Lock a thread or end a discussion... Don't use it as final word.

Agreed, Bay12 is pretty bad for it - I feel it's mainly because the discussion is usually so civil, so people don't have a way of getting their anger out (as they would in a normal forum by getting aggressive/shouty) so the only thing left to do is to tell people to stop talking.declaring a discussion over.

Locking threads is just as bad in my opinion (unless it's gotten way too argumentative/aggressive). It's doing the above, whilst also saying that you've decided that no one can talk about the entire issue anymore because you dislike the way it's going. It's just immature really.

[Frumple]

Eehh... I wouldn't blame anyone for locking a thread they made that's starting to get prickly, tbh, or that they just don't want to be involved in anymore. Even if it's not immediately aggressive, if it's something the OP doesn't want to keep keeping an eye on, locking is exactly what they should do -- at best it saves toady a little effort, at worst it just means someone else gets to open a thread on the subject.

Thread creator's expected to kinda' set the tone/pseudo-moderate the thread (if only by calling in toady or somethin'), so if they're not there or not getting involved, letting go the reigns is more or less right practice. If they think the discussion's better held elsewhere/under differently management (so to speak) for pretty much whatever reason, shuttin' the thread down is probably one of the things t'do. If there's still interest in the discussion and it hasn't been seriously hammered on, another thread can be made.

[nenjin]

It's a two way street. Look at the Starbound thread. Some people (and I include myself in that) post in that thread basically just to reaffirm they hate the game, think the devs screwed them, etc....Some people have an axe to grind and threads are the place they do it. There is a certain limit to open discussion when some people aren't really there to discuss anything, they just want to vent.

The TWS thread definitely falls into that category, because people have plenty of reasons to feel X about KDG and express their opinion.

That said, I hate the "You're not allowed to say X in this thread anymore" attempts at stifling opinions as well. A thread by its very nature invites different opinions, and trying to turn them into safe zones is disillusioned at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.

[Neonivek]

Yes nenjin but the Starbound thread RAN on hate.

To the extent that when someone made a Starbound thread that banned that sort of negativity so people could speak... not only did it die, but it was mostly trolled for banning it.

So... the Starbound thread isn't a good example. Since there really weren't people who wanted to talk about it positively and those that did found it ridiculous to even ban negativity.

In fact the majority of people complaining about the negativity in the Starbound thread really had two complaints.
1) That it kept the Starbound thread high in the thread count and they just didn't like seeing it.
and
2) They posted in the thread, didn't want to post in it anymore, but whenever someone posts in it... it updates them...

[Darkmere]

There's several threads I keep getting updates on that I have no interest in participating in. I click "mark as read" and move on.

I don't think anyone here has been particularly rude (I've certainly been much more of an asshole in the past than this thread has been) so I don't see a reason to shut down discussion...

[Scoops Novel]

If you do lock it, I have a final comment.
Though, needless to say, we haven't yet gotten what we were to receive,
But as it seems, the developer is still working on the project.
Maybe one day, a few years from now, we'll have something resembling what we were promised.
Maybe one day.

And with that, the thread is locked. PM me if you want it reopened.

[Scoops Novel]

CTHULU FHTAGN!

[Mephansteras]

Huge backer email today full of screenshots and overviews of various changes to the systems.

But here is the top paragraph:

Before I dig into the details let me assure you that you will have your hands on That Which Sleeps in the next few months.  Now that I've completely gutted the prior ambitious simulation we're left with a much more tried and true solution to robust AI needs - meaning that at worst case we're looking at the AI making some dumb decisions as opposed to the entire simulation collapsing.  The silver lining is that in the time that has passed I've spent a lot of time refining some of the other components as well as continuing to cram the game full of content. 

Sounds like we'll be getting something after all!

[nenjin]

It's doomed.

fake edit

Oh shit, I'm a week late!

[lordcooper]

I don't want to rain doom and gloom on this or encourage optimism.

I'll believe it when backers have an at least somewhat playable prototype in their hands.  It'd be nice if that happened.