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[nenjin]

I kind of agree. When I first jumped into CK2 I was pretty overwhelmed by how much info was nested in the UI.

[Retropunch]

I kind of agree. When I first jumped into CK2 I was pretty overwhelmed by how much info was nested in the UI.

Thirded. All it really means though is that the player has sit down and work out what a few bits mean - do you expect the players to do that? If so then it's fine, otherwise you need it to be a bit clearer.

As this is trying to be a deep strategy, I don't think it's a problem to expect players to have a bit of a learning curve - and it's always better to show more than miss important stuff out/put it behind the scenes.

[Malus]

I kind of agree. When I first jumped into CK2 I was pretty overwhelmed by how much info was nested in the UI.

Thirded. All it really means though is that the player has sit down and work out what a few bits mean - do you expect the players to do that? If so then it's fine, otherwise you need it to be a bit clearer.

I didn't even realize how much craziness there is to the CK2 UI until I hopped onto a Skype call with a few friends and tried to get a multiplayer game going with people who'd never touched a grand strategy game before. After 30 minutes of character customization, we loaded in, and I spent about 15 minutes explaining the various screens, setting ambitions, marrying, assigning titles and councillors (and then deploying those councillors), the various mapmodes, how to enter the diplomacy screen, what the *point* of the diplomacy screen is... we finally unpaused and they were all quickly overwhelmed anyway. I've sunk thousands of hours into Paradox games so I totally forgot what it must be like to navigate half a dozen separate menus seemingly arranged without rhyme or reason, with walls of text everywhere and flavor mixed in with game mechanics making it hard to figure out what really matters. When you aren't experienced enough to filter out all the useless information, it's kind of impossible to not get lost.

I don't think there's a problem with the way That Which Sleeps' interface looks, but it's definitely less casual than Civ 5 et al... assuming the game even exists and isn't just a bunch of carefully photoshopped screenshots with some occasional video editing magic.

[ThtblovesDF]

I always felt to distanced and unable to directly act in CK2, something that hopefully won't be a issue in TWS.

Even if it is... struggling.

[ZeroGravitas]

I think the end is nigh. One of the two members of the company wrote:

No real updates - spoke briefly with the man and he alluded to the fact that he is pretty much at his breaking point as far as financials go - so options are beg for friends and family money, or push out whatever is done up to the point of release and keep going from there.

Kind of a nebulous update - no real date given - just note that the pressure is building there too.

When I tried to run the game (this is a while ago and like a whole previous iteration) - it couldn't read or access certain data files - I assumed it was error on my part as I am not exactly clever or bright when it comes to such matters.

("the man" is the other member of the company, and the only programmer)

It seems now that it was always a lie that "all the major game systems and are in place and successfully implemented" (from the Kickstarter page). Maybe they can explain more fully, but I don't think a lawsuit is out of the question now. Depends on what they do going forward, and if anyone is annoyed enough to bother over the $25/$50/whatever.

[Xgamer4]

It seems now that it was always a lie that "all the major game systems and are in place and successfully implemented" (from the Kickstarter page).

I don't know if I'd go that far. If anything, it looks to be another death-by-stretch-goals. I fully believe they had something when they launched the kickstarter, but afterwards they overhauled literally everything in order to accommodate all the stretch goals.

And honestly, there were definite improvements. If you compare the KS pictures to the screenshots and video from a few months ago, it looks and seems significantly better. That's all for naught if it never releases, though. 

[Jopax]

Well that's a shame. Right now I'd say their best bet would be to go find a publisher or something like that. Like say Paradox, they're nice, go ask them for help.

[Zangi]

A lawsuit over this is like beating a dead horse for non-existent cash...

The heroesheretics are on the cusp of victory, their meddling will prevent its awakening.  That Which Sleeps will further slumber, until the time is yet ripe.  Humanity will be spared from its horrorsenlightenment... for now.

[Cruxador]

or push out whatever is done up to the point of release and keep going from there.

If this is an option now, why wasn't it before? Isn't that what a beta is supposed to be?

[forsaken1111]

or push out whatever is done up to the point of release and keep going from there.

This should have been done ages ago.

If they're out of money, open the game up for early access and give people a cut-down version to test and play. Disable systems that don't work if you must, explain that it's still in progress. I might actually buy it if they did that, right now I'm just watching and wondering if I'll ever play it.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

"They will all look up and shout 'Do anything other than what you are doing right now! Please, something!' and I will whisper '...'" - That Which Sleeps

[forsaken1111]

"They will all look up and shout 'Do anything other than what you are doing right now! Please, something!' and I will whisper '...'" - That Which Sleeps

Well if he's out of money and not done with the game, what he's currently doing is patently not working.

[Puzzlemaker]

I will continue to wait until official news. 

[Urist McScoopbeard]

"They will all look up and shout 'Do anything other than what you are doing right now! Please, something!' and I will whisper '...'" - That Which Sleeps

Well if he's out of money and not done with the game, what he's currently doing is patently not working.

The joke
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[ZeroGravitas]

or push out whatever is done up to the point of release and keep going from there.

If this is an option now, why wasn't it before? Isn't that what a beta is supposed to be?

Indeed. Which contributes to the impression that there never was a game to begin with; just lots of fancy images.