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[ndkid]

I can understand the emotional drain Sean felt... it's tough when you're a volunteer, you stick around when the creators don't, and you therefore become the target of people's frustration. Of course, I was a backer who didn't pay for the beta tier, so my forum access had been turned into "view only" a couple of weeks ago, so I was disallowed from being part of the discussion over there.

Still, we get more communication from TWS than we do from the Net Gain guy, who hasn't managed to say anything in about a year. I honestly wish his backers had some of the vitrol TWS does, because he seems to be getting to just quietly pocket the money he got from his KS without anyone even raising a stink. (A smaller amount of money, I grant.)

[Cthulhu]

That's  victim blaming you know

Eh there's a difference between complaining because you feel wronged (even angily complaining) and doing so in a way that is bad enough to cause effects. It would be like if a post office lost a bunch of paycheck mail and people were angry; people complaining and even yelling would be totally justified in that type of situation, but people forming a rioting crowd so large that it stops the post office from being able to get the mail trucks in/out of the post office wouldn't be justified. In the same way complaining would be justified, but flaming and attacks or other things that a moderator actively needs to deal with? Not so much.

God forbid we feel wronged and respond in a way that actually does something.

[ZeroGravitas]

Apparently KDG are planning on releasing what they actually have by august. As this involves ripping even more out of the build Fenicks poked with a stick I'm not sure why it'd take so long or even why they'd bother.

That's not at all what he said. What he said was, if there wasn't a technical preview by the end of August, then he would officially admit the project was dead.

[Hanzoku]

That's  victim blaming you know

Eh there's a difference between complaining because you feel wronged (even angily complaining) and doing so in a way that is bad enough to cause effects. It would be like if a post office lost a bunch of paycheck mail and people were angry; people complaining and even yelling would be totally justified in that type of situation, but people forming a rioting crowd so large that it stops the post office from being able to get the mail trucks in/out of the post office wouldn't be justified. In the same way complaining would be justified, but flaming and attacks or other things that a moderator actively needs to deal with? Not so much.

God forbid we feel wronged and respond in a way that actually does something.

And as an added bonus, if all the complaining, attacks and threats of lawsuits drives the creator into abandoning the project, you can feel vindicated that all your complaints did something!

[ZeroGravitas]

And as an added bonus, if all the complaining, attacks and threats of lawsuits drives the creator into abandoning the project, you can feel vindicated that all your complaints did something!

A lawsuit would only make sense if the project were actually a fraud that was never honestly intended to release anything. Which means there was never anything to "abandon" in the first place; it was always a scam.

[nenjin]

So. Release date hype then?

[Zangi]

When That Which Sleeps awakens from its slumber.

Traitors within our midsts now doggedly pursue the priests who had given their dedication to the awakening of That Which Sleeps.

[ThtblovesDF]

Getting close to Godwin’s law in the main thread over at KDG, so... ugh.

[Neonivek]

That's  victim blaming you know

Victim Blaming isn't a flaw and fits rather nicely into logic.

The reason "Victim Blaming" has such a hefty negative connotation to the extent that people will bend over backwards to avoid it... Is because sometimes it is used in situations where the cause doesn't justify the effect... "She was wearing provocative clothes so she deserved to be smacked" where, no... It doesn't matter what she was wearing there is no justification for how she was treated. Hence the desire to create a name for that sort of victim blaming called "Victim Blaming".

In otherwords Victim Blaming has become the "Support our troops" moniker. Where you are meant to shut off all sense... usually to shut down arguments through association. Even though they started off being outright positive.

Having someone being the instrument of their own demise and it being their own dang fault is not only logical but even the courts agree this is a thing (so yes... the courts accept victim blaming).

Having the people who are pissed at how long the game is taking... Through their sheer amount of complaining genuinely risk the game not coming out as "Ironic" has some merit.

Though frankly any developer worth their salt should tune that out... and if the developer did shut down... Why would it be their fault.

[sirvente]

Man when I see that game development has somehow ratcheted back from an imminent open beta to an unplayable pre-alpha tech demo my blood just boils at the nerve of those uppity backers

[TempAcc]

Man, those awful money giving backers, complaining the guy gave them videos and screenshots of something seemingly functional but was actualy a huge mess and didn't say anything about it until recently, scum of the earth that lot.

[Cheeetar]

I continue to be genuinely amazed by the pettiness and entitlement displayed by people on the internet. People who've donated as much as $300- possibly a full days work! People who use the amount other unrelated people have contributed to justify their own outrage over a failed project that was never guaranteed to succeed. People who have kept updated and in the know about something for over a year in order that they may continually complain about it. I have yet to run into this behaviour offline, but maybe I'm lucky.

[Neonivek]

I continue to be genuinely amazed by the pettiness and entitlement displayed by people on the internet. People who've donated as much as $300- possibly a full days work! People who use the amount other unrelated people have contributed to justify their own outrage over a failed project that was never guaranteed to succeed. People who have kept updated and in the know about something for over a year in order that they may continually complain about it. I have yet to run into this behaviour offline, but maybe I'm lucky.

Once again... Don't use the term "Entitled" when referring to people who are LITERALLY entitled.

[sirvente]

Entitled, self-entitled, live and let live Neo! Embrace the downfall of english and the triumph of post-colonialist macroagressive doubleplusunproblematic ecoconcious prepostpremodern language

[Cheeetar]

I continue to be genuinely amazed by the pettiness and entitlement displayed by people on the internet. People who've donated as much as $300- possibly a full days work! People who use the amount other unrelated people have contributed to justify their own outrage over a failed project that was never guaranteed to succeed. People who have kept updated and in the know about something for over a year in order that they may continually complain about it. I have yet to run into this behaviour offline, but maybe I'm lucky.

Once again... Don't use the term "Entitled" when referring to people who are LITERALLY entitled.

We gambled and lost. I don't throw a tantrum at the casino when it comes up red instead of black, and I'm not entitled to a winning result.