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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 208221 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1920 on: July 05, 2017, 08:21:27 am »
Key thing is probably does not know any better.  She is very likely to fill another body bag if she doesn't get any learning though.

And the laughing is probably a 'holy shit I coulda died there but did not' adrenaline high moment.  Such reactions tend to vary at such moments.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1921 on: July 06, 2017, 10:14:38 pm »
The Iraqi army reports that they've completely defeated ISIS in the city of Mosul. Commandos and sleeper cells are still a concern, but the entire city is now at least under the nominal control of the ISF. Several thousand troops have been freed up as a result, so we can probably expect major offensive against them very soon. It took 8 months to completely clear the city, and losses were very high, but this means all that's left of ISIS in Iraq is the pockets centered at Hawija and Tal Afar, and a few villages along the Euphrates on the border with Syria.
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« Reply #1922 on: July 10, 2017, 08:27:29 pm »
Quote from: Baffler on July 06, 2017, 10:14:38 pm
The Iraqi army reports that they've completely defeated ISIS in the city of Mosul. Commandos and sleeper cells are still a concern, but the entire city is now at least under the nominal control of the ISF. Several thousand troops have been freed up as a result, so we can probably expect major offensive against them very soon. It took 8 months to completely clear the city, and losses were very high, but this means all that's left of ISIS in Iraq is the pockets centered at Hawija and Tal Afar, and a few villages along the Euphrates on the border with Syria.

Similar to what happened when Aleppo fell, I expect them to need at least a month or two to lick their wounds and prepare for their next offensive. But their Western allies will keep doing SF operations and air attacks.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1923 on: July 11, 2017, 12:01:15 am »
What's an SF operation? Science fiction? Solar Flare? Sad fucks?
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« Reply #1924 on: July 11, 2017, 12:10:24 am »
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What's an SF operation? Science fiction? Solar Flare? Sad fucks?

Special Forces. Namely, (usually) elite teams that specialize in, well, stuff you would send elite teams to do. Like the Navy SEALS.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1925 on: July 11, 2017, 01:29:41 am »
What's really concerning me is the fact that the Iraqi government seems to have no clue how to handle its new provinces and provide services. School re-opened, but teachers aren't paid. Water has to be trucked into Mosul. Electricity is intermittent, at best. That's no way to win heart and minds.
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« Reply #1926 on: July 11, 2017, 02:17:22 am »
Well, since the time since liberation can be measured in hours rather than days, it's kinda moot and pointless to start blaming the Iraqi government for logistical troubles already. What do you expect? A miracle? The city has been bombed to rubble, it's not like the Iraqi government can just flip a switch and restore running water and electricity.
Bulding new pipes and cables is likely going to take months, if not years.
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« Reply #1927 on: July 11, 2017, 03:29:03 am »
The liberation has been ongoing. Much of Mosul has been liberated for months, with only small pockets of ISIS fighter left.
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« Reply #1928 on: July 11, 2017, 11:14:10 am »
Even if some areas of the city have been liberated for months... do you expect civilian contractors in there fixing things, near the fighting?  Shit is probably expensive on the liability.

Also, probably the fact that Iraq isn't the US with its yuge military budget to throw around.
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« Reply #1929 on: July 11, 2017, 11:23:37 am »
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« Reply #1930 on: July 11, 2017, 11:34:40 am »
Quote from: Sheb on July 11, 2017, 11:23:37 am
It goes beyond that. School in East Mosul re-opened six months ago, but the teachers haven't been paid since. Contractor that won contracts to fix the grid are still waiting to know how they'll get paid to start working. And yeah, generally, money is lacking.

Hard to tell if it's corruption problems (which I'm sure they still have) or it's truly economic problems, maybe both.
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« Reply #1931 on: July 11, 2017, 03:59:34 pm »
Quote from: smjjames on July 11, 2017, 11:34:40 am
Quote from: Sheb on July 11, 2017, 11:23:37 am
It goes beyond that. School in East Mosul re-opened six months ago, but the teachers haven't been paid since. Contractor that won contracts to fix the grid are still waiting to know how they'll get paid to start working. And yeah, generally, money is lacking.

Hard to tell if it's corruption problems (which I'm sure they still have) or it's truly economic problems, maybe both.

Well in their defense they've had at least low-level war going on in their territory near-continuously for the last 15 years.
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« Reply #1932 on: July 13, 2017, 03:57:34 am »
Military operations on this scale are super expensive.

I would be surprised if the soldiers got their pay in time.
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« Reply #1933 on: July 16, 2017, 06:44:29 pm »
Remember that hacking of Qatari government websites and social media that led up to the current crisis in the MidEast? The UAE got caught red handed and it turns out that they led the hacking rather than Russia or some random person looking to get a rise out of things.

It'll probably blow the situation over there wide open.
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« Reply #1934 on: July 17, 2017, 09:43:38 am »
Regional Instability + instead of ++
Or is it the other way around?  We know this particular shit show was heading somewhere crappy.  Maybe it'll be less crappy.
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