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[Egan_BW]

Hey, maybe we've both matured as countries enough that we can just do a little armed conflict without starting a war over it.

[smjjames]

Hey, maybe we've both matured as countries enough that we can just do a little armed conflict without starting a war over it.

As countries, perhaps, but can't say the same for Trump. The gutted State Department could cause problems in preventing it from spiralling into something larger.

[Sheb]

Pakistan deploys a brigade to Saudi Arabia to shore up its defense against Houthis.

[Strife26]

If America is going to keep supporting shitty countries, we should at least make sure that they act like our bastards. The Saudis have never been particularly good at this.

[smjjames]

Yeah, I swear the only reason that we cosy up to Saudi Arabia and ignore their bad attributes is because of oil, and the fact that we need them in the coalition

[Strife26]

Pretty much, of course I'd guess I'd question the need of American interventionism in general these days.

I've been feeling a fair bit of guilt over American complicity in WW2 Soviet horrors lately, and it seems to be coloring everything else.

[Loud Whispers]

I wonder, how quickly do you think the war will end once ISIS is kicked down? As it stands, the Caliphate is on its last legs, it'll soon have lost Raqqa and Mosul. Once it's gone, the US will loose it mains motivation to fight this war. That could drop support for the SDF considerably. I could see the SDF reaching a deal with the regime to avoid death by Turkey and the whole thing ending up fastish.

I think this war will end rather quickly, but what ensues will hardly be able to be called peace. In particular the future Syrian-Kurdish negotiations and the future Syrian-Sunni negotiations will be rather nervous to observe

[ggamer]

Pretty much, of course I'd guess I'd question the need of American interventionism in general these days.

American support of Saudia Arabia blows straight past "pragmatic" straight into stupid, in my opinion. We make such a big deal of taking a hard line against islamic extremism, but we refuse to take action against the country who's largest export is wahabism.

Remind me of a tweet by some syrian bloke, in response to a news report that Saudi Arabia was pledging troops to the Syrian conflict; "SA already has a militia in Syria, it's called ISIS"

[Helgoland]

It's a shame that Republicans have such a visceral hatred of Iran. If they were a bit more detached on the issue, the West might be able to slowly tilt towards Iran...

[Sheb]

It's a shame that Republicans have such a visceral hatred of Iran. If they were a bit more detached on the issue, the West might be able to slowly tilt towards Iran...

To be fair it's a shame the Iranian hardliner have such a visceral hatred of America.

[Antioch]

It's a shame that Republicans have such a visceral hatred of Iran. If they were a bit more detached on the issue, the West might be able to slowly tilt towards Iran...

To be fair it's a shame the Iranian hardliner have such a visceral hatred of America.

So what terrible things did Iran actually do in recent times?

[Sergarr]

It's a shame that Republicans have such a visceral hatred of Iran. If they were a bit more detached on the issue, the West might be able to slowly tilt towards Iran...

To be fair it's a shame the Iranian hardliner have such a visceral hatred of America.

So what terrible things did Iran actually do in recent times?

Propping up Hezbollah, who has "killing Jews" as their main purpose of existence, and have regularly attacked Israel in the past.

[Helgoland]

It's a shame that Republicans have such a visceral hatred of Iran. If they were a bit more detached on the issue, the West might be able to slowly tilt towards Iran...

To be fair it's a shame the Iranian hardliner have such a visceral hatred of America.

Those are two sides of the same coin, aren't they? Both sides gain political points at home by denouncing the other one, creating a self-sustaining political blockade against any kind of détente.

[smjjames]

It's a shame that Republicans have such a visceral hatred of Iran. If they were a bit more detached on the issue, the West might be able to slowly tilt towards Iran...

To be fair it's a shame the Iranian hardliner have such a visceral hatred of America.

Those are two sides of the same coin, aren't they? Both sides gain political points at home by denouncing the other one, creating a self-sustaining political blockade against any kind of détente.

To be fair, both sides actually have justifiable reasons, the US hates Iran (the government that is) because they want to nuke Israel, among other things, and Iran hates the US mainly over past meddling and have hated us since the Iranian revolution in the 1970's.

But yes, it's a self perpetuating loop.

[Sheb]

The nuke israel is more of a meme at this point, especially since Amadhinejad is out.