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[martinuzz]

What sphere of influence does Assad fall into currently?

Cocaine, most likely. And more recently, vodka.

[smjjames]

What sphere of influence does Assad fall into currently?

Russia and Iran (mostly Iran) obviously, and he'd have to be somehow arrested first anyway, which isn't realistic either.

What sphere of influence does Assad fall into currently?

Cocaine, most likely. And more recently, vodka.

Lol martinuzz.

[smjjames]

In addition to the above, there is now a ceasefire and an evacuation agreement, so, remains to be seen how that goes....

[Strife26]

In addition to the above, there is now a ceasefire and an evacuation agreement, so, remains to be seen how that goes....

I'll bet five bucks that it goes about as well as the last one.

[smjjames]

In addition to the above, there is now a ceasefire and an evacuation agreement, so, remains to be seen how that goes....

I'll bet five bucks that it goes about as well as the last one.

*hands strife 5 bucks* Didn't take long for it to break....

[Sheb]

Not sure if it's full fledged genocide in the most technical term, but yeah, mass murder of civillians is happening in Aleppo by pro-government forces...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/aleppo-syria-government-gains/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/13/fight-for-aleppo-is-almost-over-but-a-new-phase-of-misery-begins

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/13/red-cross-urgent-plea-to-save-civilians-aleppo-syria

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38301629

War crimes tribunal for Assad and co. when?

Never

It's massacre, but it's not genocide, no one is reporting they are killing of Sunni muslims or something.

[Baffler]

Not sure if it's full fledged genocide in the most technical term, but yeah, mass murder of civillians is happening in Aleppo by pro-government forces...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/aleppo-syria-government-gains/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/13/fight-for-aleppo-is-almost-over-but-a-new-phase-of-misery-begins

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/13/red-cross-urgent-plea-to-save-civilians-aleppo-syria

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38301629

War crimes tribunal for Assad and co. when?

Never

It's massacre, but it's not genocide, no one is reporting they are killing of Sunni muslims or something.

There's also no evidence they were ordered to do that. The only source seems to be random twitter feeds and NGO's who don't have any presence in the area, and even if we do take it at face value, reports that "this many people died" don't really tell us anything about what happened. It could have been anything from their commander telling them to do whatever they want to the captured area (or the militia just doing it anyway,) to those people being caught in crossfires while trying to flee, to being shot in the back by rebels who don't want to lose their human shields trying to intimidate the rest into staying put.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Eiffel Tower to go dark in solidarity with Aleppo

France solved the problem
*facepalms*

[Sergarr]

Eiffel Tower to go dark in solidarity with Aleppo

France solved the problem
*facepalms*

They sure do send a clear moral signal, though! I'm sure Putin is already quacking in his boots in fear of retribution.

Meanwhile... I don't have any real news, but from what unconfirmed rumours I'm hearing, and judging from the relative lack of any positive Western media news on it recently, the battle for Mosul is going... less than stellar. According to what I've heard, the Iraqis still haven't even advanced into the city proper, still being stuck in suburbs under constant ISIS attacks. And that's despite outnumbering ISIS like 5:1, with artillery, tanks and Coalition's air support.

If Iraqi army somehow actually manages to lose that one, they'll be rolled all the way back to Baghdad, because literally all Iraqi combat capable formations are currently employed in Mosul offensive.

[smjjames]

Eiffel Tower to go dark in solidarity with Aleppo

France solved the problem
*facepalms*

They sure do send a clear moral signal, though! I'm sure Putin is already quacking in his boots in fear of retribution.

*imagines a tiny duck that looks like Putin inside a boot, and quacking fearfully* lol.

It makes me think of that polandball comic where France tries to show off it's Reichtangle form and it's just a white rectangle, as in a white flag.

Meanwhile... I don't have any real news, but from what unconfirmed rumours I'm hearing, and judging from the relative lack of any positive Western media news on it recently, the battle for Mosul is going... less than stellar. According to what I've heard, the Iraqis still haven't even advanced into the city proper, still being stuck in suburbs under constant ISIS attacks. And that's despite outnumbering ISIS like 5:1, with artillery, tanks and Coalition's air support.

If Iraqi army somehow actually manages to lose that one, they'll be rolled all the way back to Baghdad, because literally all Iraqi combat capable formations are currently employed in Mosul offensive.

I haven't heard much on Mosul either, but from what I've heard and a quick google news look, it's becoming Iraq's Fallujah (nevermind the fact that Fallujah IS in Iraq), an utterly bloody battle. I don't know how much experience the Iraqi army has in Urban Warfare, but both of our (Russian and American that is) armed forces are well experienced in it by now.

[Baffler]

I haven't heard much on Mosul either, but from what I've heard and a quick google news look, it's becoming Iraq's Fallujah (nevermind the fact that Fallujah IS in Iraq), an utterly bloody battle. I don't know how much experience the Iraqi army has in Urban Warfare, but both of our (Russian and American that is) armed forces are well experienced in it by now.

It's not going well for Iraq. Over the last few days ISIS drove them out of a lot of the neighborhoods on the east bank of the Tigris that they lost so many men and vehicles earlier this month taking, and civilian casualties have been very high. The Iraqi army is pretty bad, and urban fighting is hard even on units specially trained for it. Their fancy American equipment does count for something but most of their army is made up of minimally trained and poorly motivated conscripts, and their officer corps is almost entirely green since it underwent a 1930's USSR tier purge to get rid of all the Ba'athists after Saddam got overthrown. ISIS on the other hand have gotten a lot better at fighting since 2014 when they were losing their captured American vehicles and hundreds of personnel in pointless attacks on the YPG, and their support from the Gulf States hasn't exactly dried up over the years either.

[smjjames]

*sigh*

Maybe we need to go back over there? We pretty much own the mess that Iraq is in......

[Zangi]

No political will in the West.
With that off the table, doing things half-arsed has been the answer.

Maybe if ISIS or some other on the shitlist could upgrade their boogeyman rank...

[martinuzz]

Yeah, there needs to be a chemical SCUD missile attack on southern Italy or something, before there will be enough political will to go boots on the ground.

[Loud Whispers]

*sigh*

Maybe we need to go back over there? We pretty much own the mess that Iraq is in......

The time is not right