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Author Topic: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.  (Read 207615 times)

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1471 on: November 05, 2016, 04:15:30 pm »

Sadly, yes. Child Rights stop applying when a kid is pointing a M14 at you. They move from legal status of 'child' to legal status of 'enemy combatant'. I hope the coalition forces have enough psychiatrists ready, back home. Shooting 9 year olds will haunt you for the rest of your life, even if it was a 'them or us' situation.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1472 on: November 13, 2016, 09:24:12 pm »

Kurdish fighters are allegedly illegaly demolishing Arab homes in Iraq

If it's true that they really are targeting arab homes and demolishing them because they're trying to push the arabs out, then this is certainly troubling.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1473 on: November 13, 2016, 10:22:17 pm »

This isn't new, however it might be good to see why they're doing it. The Peshmerga have destroyed countless villages before Daesh could reach it, and evacuated the civilians behind (arabs, kurds, christians). 1.5million arabs now live in the Iraqi Kurdistan compared to before the war.

Ok, after reading the article and the source behind, it's a tempest in a glass water. They're clueless as to a lot of things. Like "the Peshmerga can't be destroying ISIS houses because kurdish houses are not targeted". Hm, maybe this has something to do with the fact that there's almost zero kurdish islamist. Or bulldozing rather than cordoning being a sign that there's no mines. There's obviously some cases of looting though.
Overall, this would probably be valid criticism of a western army on a third world operation (and not war), but that's clearly not the case here.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1474 on: November 13, 2016, 10:51:32 pm »

Fuckit. Let them establish whatever kind of Kurdish State they can.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1475 on: November 14, 2016, 02:03:08 pm »

Or bulldozing rather than cordoning being a sign that there's no mines.

lol, Bulldozing is a textbook solution against booby trapped houses/land mines.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1476 on: November 14, 2016, 03:00:35 pm »

Fuckit. Let them establish whatever kind of Kurdish State they can.
Now is not the time to be grabbing lebensraum clay

Or bulldozing rather than cordoning being a sign that there's no mines.
lol, Bulldozing is a textbook solution against booby trapped houses/land mines.
Not to mention it has the added benefit of burying any tunnels ISIS would've tried using to ambush them, burying them alive. Those tunnels have been plaguing the Iraqi offensive in Mosul, as districts that were "cleared" suddenly were filled with ISIS fighters from behind, who were hiding in their tunnels

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1477 on: November 14, 2016, 03:26:41 pm »

Or bulldozing rather than cordoning being a sign that there's no mines.

lol, Bulldozing is a textbook solution against booby trapped houses/land mines.

Spoken like a true Israeli. :p
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1478 on: November 14, 2016, 05:36:12 pm »

As long as the Kurds don't become another Israel with their own abused pet.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1479 on: November 14, 2016, 05:58:10 pm »

Fuckit. Let them establish whatever kind of Kurdish State they can.
Now is not the time to be grabbing lebensraum clay.

Now is the perfect time to be grabbing anything they have a claim to. They're going to be hard pressed by someone just as soon as the area stops boiling. My money is on Turkey, but I'll give good odds for Iran too.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1480 on: November 14, 2016, 06:02:23 pm »

Now is the perfect time to be grabbing anything they have a claim to. They're going to be hard pressed by someone just as soon as the area stops boiling. My money is on Turkey, but I'll give good odds for Iran too.
The moment their neighbours of Turkey and Iran see the Kurds grabbing all the clay they have claim to is the moment their alliances start getting triggered and like WWI, the world gets fucked

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1481 on: November 14, 2016, 06:17:39 pm »

Now is the perfect time to be grabbing anything they have a claim to. They're going to be hard pressed by someone just as soon as the area stops boiling. My money is on Turkey, but I'll give good odds for Iran too.
The moment their neighbours of Turkey and Iran see the Kurds grabbing all the clay they have claim to is the moment their alliances start getting triggered and like WWI, the world gets fucked

Isn't that unclaimed clay mainly limited to Iraq? There's bits and pieces in Iran and Turkey, yes, and the Kurdish region in Syria is already autonomous.

Actually, no, theres bits and pieces in Iran, but there's a HUGE chunk in Turkey.

Unless you mean the way Poland has been cannibalized and divided into pieces over history, except that unlike Poland, there isn't really an Iraqi ethnicity.
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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1482 on: November 14, 2016, 06:52:05 pm »

Isn't that unclaimed clay mainly limited to Iraq? There's bits and pieces in Iran and Turkey, yes, and the Kurdish region in Syria is already autonomous.
Actually, no, theres bits and pieces in Iran, but there's a HUGE chunk in Turkey.
Exactly fam, Turkey was already nervous when the Iraqi Kurds were linking up with just the Syrian Kurds - who knows what'll happen if they try in Iran and Turkey

Unless you mean the way Poland has been cannibalized and divided into pieces over history, except that unlike Poland, there isn't really an Iraqi ethnicity.
No I mean more about how the clash between Austria trying to keep a hold over its historical claims vs Serbia's attempts to unite its cultural groups pulled in the world and fucked everything up

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Re: The Let's go back to Iraq, now without WMDs Thread. About the IS(IS) threat.
« Reply #1483 on: November 14, 2016, 07:49:34 pm »

The unclaimed parts they're worried about is mostly Iraq, with chunks of Syria. But yeah, a Kurdish nation-state would probably be a serious threat to Turkey and their semi autonomous Kurdish region.

Iran maybe? I don't know enough about the Kurdish chunks of Iran to speak authoritatively.
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« Reply #1484 on: November 14, 2016, 08:20:12 pm »

Unless you mean the way Poland has been cannibalized and divided into pieces over history, except that unlike Poland, there isn't really an Iraqi ethnicity.
No I mean more about how the clash between Austria trying to keep a hold over its historical claims vs Serbia's attempts to unite its cultural groups pulled in the world and fucked everything up

The analogy doesn't completely fit, but yes, things are more likely to go south if things get worse, and Trump isn't exactly a calming presence or a diplomat.
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